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The programming software is excellent too. The posters that say otherwise just don't spend the time to learn it or are not after the detail it provides.
I've read up on the 'old' X56 and been told to get the newer Logitech version. Right now I'm using an XBOX Elite controller. (No abuse please)
But seriously, DCS is a pricey investment and a HOTAS is a pricey piece of kit for just one game. But I know it'll be worth it when I get it.
No thanks. X56 is expensive enough to save for. I don't plan to remortgage my house for a Warthog. lol
Actually, this is interesting and was something I forgot to ask about myself. I was going to start a thread of my own on this.
I bought a PC simply because of this game and the videos I was watching on YouTube. However, what I've noticed is when broadcasters look around the cockpit and mess with switches, they seem to do it so smoothly. I assumed this was because they had a HOTAS and there was switches on there that made it possible?
As I'm using an XBOX controller, I use my mouse to look around but not before having to double left or right click first in order to get into free camera mode. What you've just described, is that some sort of essential tool that most DCS'ers use to get that fluidic flow around the cockpit view?
Apologies if this is a dumb question like I said, I'm kinda new and apologies to the OP for hijacking their thread with comments/questions of my own...
I'm a former instrument technician.
From experience, the X52 has better twist but I had 4 replacements (first unit was Saitek) in 2 years. Failures ranged from the throttle detents failing to switches inexplicably ceasing working and these were switches that were rarely used and just stopped working often within weeks.
The X56 twist is quite firm, but over a week or two you will get used to it pretty quick. Mind you, your going to want to put the stick and throttle on a nonstop mat or better still mount it on to a desk. Mines just on a mat.
The OP has spent a considerable sum on a pc just for DCS and really ought to also consider head tracking and some pedals. If you are heading down the pedals track, get Crosswinds, they will last a lifetime, have resale value and are a dream to use.
Recently I bought another new Logitech X52. It has been working just as great with the same old software. The only difference has been the throttle is much stiffer than the last one. Never had any issues with either one.
Budget hotas: 100-500 USD
I would start with the vkb gladiator mk2 as it has a bunch of buttons and a modifier pinky button which doubles the amount of buttons visible on the stick in a very natural way which works for ALL games. You would pair that with the thrustmaster t16000m throttle (without the stick) and together you have a setup that will work fantastic at a cost of 180 us dollars (including shipping and tax) You can also improve this by adding the vkb t-rudder pedalse for an extra 250 dollars making this rig better than most options. This will perform better than the thrustmaster hotas warthog due to the thrustmaster stick having a inferior gimble to the vkb stick.
https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gladiator
https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960754-Thrustmaster-TWCS-Throttle/dp/B01L28LVUG/ref=sr_1_2?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8_eXm-ek5AIVGR-tBh2YvQM0EAAYASAAEgKBp_D_BwE&hvadid=367194709437&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9032518&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=b&hvrand=376872885668035909&hvtargid=aud-646675773986%3Akwd-346015849645&hydadcr=17114_9874603&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m+throttle&qid=1566969216&s=gateway&sr=8-2
medium budget: 500-700 USD
start with the thrustmaster t16000m throttle quadarent and buy yourself a pair of vkb rudder pedals as they are the cheapest quality rudder pedal set on the market. your stick is going to be the tabletop version of the vkb gunfighter mk2 with the k12 wwii grip this should cost you around 675 usd including high cost in shipping and tax and if you want something cheaper look at the budget
https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960754-Thrustmaster-TWCS-Throttle/dp/B01L28LVUG/ref=sr_1_2?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8_eXm-ek5AIVGR-tBh2YvQM0EAAYASAAEgKBp_D_BwE&hvadid=367194709437&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9032518&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=b&hvrand=376872885668035909&hvtargid=aud-646675773986%3Akwd-346015849645&hydadcr=17114_9874603&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m+throttle&qid=1566969216&s=gateway&sr=8-2
https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=gunfighter-mk-ii-wwii-vintage-edition
https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-t-rudders-mk-iv
high budget: 1200 - 2000
This is where you get to go crazy. I would go for the vkb gunfighte5r mk2 over the virpil at this point as it has more adjustment options being both the springs cams AND a dry clutch not found in the virpil stick allowing you to adjust the speed at which the stick returns to center which can be very helpful and since the cam and spring are exactly the same in feel as the virpil the only difference in the base is the addition of features making vkb the top product. I would also make sure to go with the full sized stick so you have the 200mm extension cit attached and if you want grap yourself a thrustmaster hotas warthog stick and toss the terrible warthog base in the garbage and install the vkb thrustmaster adapter and enjoy the best stick on the market. Make sure to grab yourself the virpil throttle and mfg crosswind or vkb pedalse at this point with preferance in mind of helicopter style or plane style pedals. How much you spend here is all depending on which options you get for the grip as the thrustmaster grip will cost you an extra 350 dollars wheras the k12 grip will save you money below the budget here.
AVOID THESE AT ALL COSTS AND RUN SCREAMING FOR YOUR LIFE
1. All Saitek/logitech products They are absolute garbage all of them. the gimbles are terrible and inaccurate and they break over time quicker than you would think. This includes but not limited to the saitek combat pedals, saitek pro pedals logitech pedals, x-52, x-52 pro, x-55, x-56, and others not mentioned here
2. ch products pedal set. they are good, but for an extra 50 bucks you can get the vkb pedals which are some of the best on the market and the difference in quality and performance make it simply more economical to skip the ch products pedals however i can attest that they will last you a long time
3. Thrustmaster hotas warthog is a stick that has a duality of being both awesome and also terrible. First off the grip is made out of medal and feels fantastic in your hands and this part of the stick has a good track record of lasting. The gimble however is made of plastic and cheap parts and many people have had to get it replaced. For whatever reason they decided to make the part of the stick that has little to no tension whatsoever out of medal and the part of the stick that recieves a lot of force from spring tension and movement out of plastic which has been known to break by many people. there are people who have gone through 3 of them! and even myself had to get mine replace due to faulty wireing which shorted out the board 3 months after purchase. the throttle seems ok, however they use switches of the cheapest quality and various sensors and buttons have been known to go out over time and while i don't not recomend the throttle part do know that it is a medium to low quality throttle not a high end product My experience with thrustmaster in customer service due to a faulty base required me to LITERALLY THREATEN TO SUE in order for them to abide by their warrenty and are absolutly a terrible company. Only get this product for the throttle if you are not wanting to spend the money for the virpil/really like the a-10c and the stick with the intension of attaching the top of the stick to a virpil or vkb base as the gimble itself has a horrible sticking problem and a large bump in the middle making it impossible to be accurate in the middle section of the stick requiring you to put a large curve in the software. This kit performs worse ingame than my budget build so do not get this thinking you are getting quality as they cheaped out where it counts and put in money where it doesn't making the stick feel good at first glance yet fail to actually perform as intended.
Possible options that have little experience in
CH products sticks and throttle quadarents. I have heard nothing but good things from these sticks and i have owned the ch products pedals and the have been around for a very long time. I have heard of stories of fantastic customer service even past warrenty and they are beloved by their owners. I have no knowledge of their gimble system which is why its on the possible options and would make for a great medium budget set.
If you have the money then I say Virpil!! I went from a Thrustmaster t-flight hotas, to a Thrustmaster warthog hotas, and whilst the upgrade was a good one, I still didn't like the hog stick's mechanism (the gimbal to be precise). I then upgraded to a Virpil Warbrd - my god, with the hog grip attached (since replace this with the F18 grip) this thing is amazing, but you can also get the Virpl Warbrd grip too which has a twist axis built in.
I also know someone who has the t16000 but they are saving for a Virpil because of the quality and feel of the axis.
It's like comparing cheap supermarket own cola vs the real thing (Thrustmaster being the cheap supermarket brand).