The NEW Su-33 PFM Carrier Takeoff.

[george47mathew]

Currently, the PFM Su-33 Carrier takeoff seems to be impossible. Even with 60 percent fuel and just 6 AA missiles. The Take off even with full emergency special afterburner seems tough. It cannot take off with 85-90 percent max takeoff threshold. The Su-33 crashes into the sea.

PFM Su-33 take off on MAX burner seems underpowered...carrier takeoff harder than landing.

[george47mathew]

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Wrong for full load take off from position 3 further back down the carrier, Its on the left side.

I was trying the campaign missions for a bit of practise...

The mission had me always positioned on the default side of the carrier...

[george47mathew]

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It will yes i just turn around and re position.

How do you get the blast barriers to activate?

My Wingman is on the left side of the usual default positioning...he cant move out of the way...the lining is through him LOL.

[Troll Norris]

There is weight limit for take off and land on carrier. I think it is around 27 tons max from shorter runway with no headwind and non-moving carrier.

[george47mathew]

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There is weight limit for take off and land on carrier. I think it is around 27 tons max from shorter runway with no headwind and non-moving carrier.

Landing seems OK.

Take off appears to be extra harder now on default position take off, and this is in campaign missions. I mostly restrict fuel to just 60-75 percent.

Even ramp take off is on default position with wingman on left side. I go and reposition further back only to notice the back blast shield not activating and my wingman is on my line of take off.

I am going to assume the Su-33 is still in Beta stage at this point...

[george47mathew]

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The reason it is hard because on the new carrier the wheel chocks will hold the aircraft on full burner until release, For now i also use the brake lever behind the stick that gives me 200 pounds of brake pressure instead of 100 by normal wheel brakes, Personally i think the carrier is a little small? I maybe wrong,


The SU-33 is in beta.

Just to be clear...

I am using the default stable version 1.5.7xxx and not the latest 2.x versions. I dont know if the Su-33 is different in either of these versions...

I tried lining up the rear position and my wingman is on the left side front on the usual default position. He is in the way of my take off lineup and I end up colliding with him or more precisely, rip off his wings. I also did try rudder adjust and took off from the edge right side off carrier.

My wingman ended up crashing, though...

In the end, I have to either tweak the mission loadout to just carry 50 percent fuel. I am not skilled enough to tanker refuel and my Joystick isnt top of the line model.

[george47mathew]

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1.5.7 open beta only uses pfm in standalone the rest is sfm.

I use the default version and no, I have not selected on any beta or alpha versions on the steam Beta tab. The FC3 Su-33 seems to now have the PFM model...the arcade feel is gone, so not the SFM. Landing is challenging and takeoffs are extra tough.


Su 33 seems more underpowered than the Su-27. Even with Empty setting and 70 percent fuel. It was still tough to take off, almost sunk in to the ocean.

[george47mathew]

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The 33 i think is heavy

I guess they gotta work more on the carrier mechanics to make takeoffs easier and the option of lighting in low light conditions, coz landing at night with no carrier lights is a pain.


I just hope they add some AG missiles on Su-33 along its PFM updates, coz as a Russian Naval fighter jet its got to have some AG missile. Currently, all the weapons its got is very primitive....No AG missiles or even fire and forget AA.

[☕ Grüntherspöth 🍟]

Ho I'm not the only one... Used to take off from carrier (basically Full throttl then go)
Now It seems impossible

[george47mathew]

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Ho I'm not the only one... Used to take off from carrier (basically Full throttl then go)
Now It seems impossible

The carrier is not revamped to fit the Su-33 PFM model.

Taking off in full load is just suicide at the moment...better to wait it out.

So far, Campaign missions like Sea Dragon is a waste. There was this other campaign called Heavy sky that lets you use regular land bases but thats removed.

[george47mathew]

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Take off from further back is fine tho.

Its fine when you don't have your wingman blocking the runway and he is not going to reposition...I end up clipping his wings.

[george47mathew]

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You can fold your wings if you didnt already if you can.

While the campaign starts or if your are starting with wingman on carrier we always start on the front right side and the wingman to our left.

I fold my wings and reposition further back ....which also is aligned to the left and I am directly facing my wingman up front. So when I do take off, I end up clipping his wings, even if I do try to adjust with rudder on take off. He can't reposition....and If I add too much I slide off to the right side edge in a forced roll.

[george47mathew]

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Try less fuel adapt and overcome :) Im pretty sure the new carrier will be bigger.

Thats what I thought...its the carrier not being compatible with the new PFM Su-33.


Yeah less fuel take-off is possible. But I am not skilled enough to connect with a tanker...I dont have a pro class joystick yet.

[Troll Norris]

George, you can tune your axis to make your joystick more "sensitive" at the center. So you will be possible to do more accurate adjust. Also do not forget to use trim. It will save up to 70% of your problem.

[☕ Grüntherspöth 🍟]

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You dont need a pro class stick :) Practice Practice Practice.

Sure but a small 10cm switch cannot be as efficient as a real 30cm gas pad (not sure about the correct words)

I Never piloted a real fighter plane ("piloted" a Robin 260i for a few minute in the air. as a "tourist" nothing to compare I think)
BUT if I can compare it to a car, I know it's much easier to stick close to another car with a real car (thus real gas pedal) that with the trigger of a Xbox controller... If I may compare with a little exageration to make my point

[Nirvi]

Carrier has two 'short' (105 meter - right deck side and part of left side) and 'long' (195 m, left deck side) runways.

Maximal A/C takeoff weight (carrier is not moving, no wind) for 'short' RW at +15C is 27 ton, for 'long' - 32 ton.