This is without question, the best game ever made

[TheonlyMac]

Skyrim can suck it (and that is coming from someone who played it for 300 hours). I played Oblivion on the 360 when it first came out and I am replaying it again now. I usually care about graphics a lot and often weak graphics will make me not want to play a game. But with Oblivion, it's different. It doesn't matter. The world is so immersive, the quest so exciting, the sense of mystery so profound, and the it has the best soundtrack of any game I ever played.

This is the only game that I have played so long after it came out and still feel it is king. People who say skyrim is better make my blood boil.

[CMDR Herne]

It's ok and it has its moments but it's not the best.

I haven't installed Nehrim but I've used OOO alot and that was pretty good over vanilla

[Slimebeast]

I agree with my whole heart!

Oblivion is the best game ever created by mankind.

[A Rock Seller]

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[Douglas Rattmann]

I agree. To a point.

I think this is the best OVERALL game, not the best in anything, but great at everything!

/My own thinking here
Anyone else have this feeling? Skyrim was BEST in stuff to do, but poor in the story line and other zones

Oblivion is GREAT in stuff to do, GREAT story line, GREAT looks (Back when it was made, it was nice looking) and overall GREAT in everything, best it none but great at all./

So in short, Oblivion is just a great overall game.

[TheonlyMac]

Originally posted by Doug Rattmann:

I agree. To a point.

I think this is the best OVERALL game, not the best in anything, but great at everything!

/My own thinking here
Anyone else have this feeling? Skyrim was BEST in stuff to do, but poor in the story line and other zones

Oblivion is GREAT in stuff to do, GREAT story line, GREAT looks (Back when it was made, it was nice looking) and overall GREAT in everything, best it none but great at all./

So in short, Oblivion is just a great overall game.

I agree to an extent but not entirely.
Things that Oblivion does best

1) Sense of immersion
2) Music
3) Dark Brotherhood questline
4) Best DLC ever (Shivering isles)

[Nimbull]

I like spell casting in Skyrim more but melee combat in Oblivion has always been fun for me. That being said Oblivion goes over the top for diverse play areas compared to always winter Skyrim.

[TheCr33pur]

I agreed, Skyrim is okay, but the skill systems is what i like most about Oblivion. The only problems i am having is crash issues, due to Vista64, and now i am using Wins8.1 64. It even crash on Admin as well. So i got tired of crash and gave up playing Oblivion.

[76561198034396398]

Skyrim lacks any sort of sense of achievement (2000hrs) even with mods. Oblivion still makes me laugh with it's sense of humor,likeable characters etc best game ever ? close, Civ 3 is still my altime favorate

[TheonlyMac]

Originally posted by Mr Mustache:

Morrowind is best in things like story writing, spells, quests, etc but lacks character diversity and immersion that Oblivion and Skyrim has.

Oblivion is pretty much in the middle retaining story writing, spells, quests, AND gives good character diversity and immersion, but as others have said here none of them are the best, they are just all really good.

Skyrim went full blown the opposite direction of Morrowind with poor story and story writing, barely any spells and spell effects, no spell making, very limited and unrealistic quests, combat is huge clickfest, etc but gives very good immersion, character diversity, crafting, hunting, real cities, great voice acting and graphics, etc.

So I guess I would say Oblivion is the best, because its the best all around and even though it lacks in everything, it has all the great things that was only in either Morrowind or Skyrim.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but cmon, skyrim's cities are real? Compared to Oblivion they are hamlets at best, while Oblivion has big and different cities.

[Hikari.ws]

I agree with best overall. It's great in open world, immersion, freedom. I live Vilja, she's so sweet and complex minded! Thieves guild questline was awesome.

It also tried to have a powerful mod system. But lacked support and had so many bugs, that almost made the game unplayable.

Fallout 4 is coming now. I hope it has a new engine and Bethesda devs master the engine now. Then they should research whole TES lore and advantages of all games, and create a TES6 and brings it all together.

Modding must be fun and easy. I haven't played Skyrim yet, but I want Vilja back on TES6! TES isn't TES without Vilja!

[SKN The LISPer]

Originally posted by Hikari.ws:

Fallout 4 is coming now. I hope it has a new engine and Bethesda devs master the engine now. Then they should research whole TES lore and advantages of all games, and create a TES6 and brings it all together.

Fallout 4 is using a modified version of gamebyro(which they call the creation engine). Bethsda have been using gamebyro since Morrowind. So as to them mastering the engine, lets just say I'd suggest not having too high hopes...

Most issues\bugs people have(that seem to be caused by the engine, and\or engine limitatiosn) with the creation engine(from TES\Fallout games) comes from Bethsda themselves, rather than the actual engine.

The best we can hope for is that having access to about 7GB RAM will allow them to develop things they usually wouldn't be able to(as previous generation has a limit of 512MB RAM, which is what Morrowinds limit was as well back in the day) but even with that it'll still be a buggy mess...

[76561198034396398]

Originally posted by SKN The LISPer:

Originally posted by Hikari.ws:

Fallout 4 is coming now. I hope it has a new engine and Bethesda devs master the engine now. Then they should research whole TES lore and advantages of all games, and create a TES6 and brings it all together.

Fallout 4 is using a modified version of gamebyro(which they call the creation engine). Bethsda have been using gamebyro since Morrowind. So as to them mastering the engine, lets just say I'd suggest not having too high hopes...

Most issues\bugs people have(that seem to be caused by the engine, and\or engine limitatiosn) with the creation engine(from TES\Fallout games) comes from Bethsda themselves, rather than the actual engine.

The best we can hope for is that having access to about 7GB RAM will allow them to develop things they usually wouldn't be able to(as previous generation has a limit of 512MB RAM, which is what Morrowinds limit was as well back in the day) but even with that it'll still be a buggy mess...

are you talking about Vram or system ram?. FO4 file size is around 30gig,only 7g larger than my Oblivion folder,i would have expected something the size of GTA5 all TES games are 32 bit i think you mean you want them to be 64 bit so they can use more than 4g system ram (you don't need more than 8g ram on gaming machines) anyway, i won't be buying F04 but i do hope the next TES game isn't as dumbed down as Skyrim was,yes the Gamebryo engine is buggy and Bethusda's rep for bugs is famous (navmesh bug) being one of my favorites

[SKN The LISPer]

Originally posted by Evil Doctor Porkchop:

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Yes I'm talking about system ram, vRam is mostly just relevant for graphics and so doesn't have an impact on "gameplay" related stuff(such as no loading screens).

All previous elder scroll games(post XnGine engine) run at 32bit. However that doesn't mean that the games are made with 4GB in mind. Oblivion and Skyrim was made with 512MB maximum(so closer to 256MB) ram in mind(because of Xbox360\ps3), just as morrowind was made with 256mb in mind(most computers back in 2000 had around 256mb ram, and 512mb at most).

Skyrims whole ram issue is that there's a bug preventing skyrim to allocate futher memory, so while 32bit does have access to 3.5gb(and after 1.9 patch 4gb) skyrim itself can only have the inital allocated ram, which is 256mb(which isn't an issue in most cases of an unmodded game, with mods 256mb just isn't enough), the SKSE memory fix is simply making the initial allocation of memory more(so 512mb instead of 256mb at the beining for instance). And still only talking about sytem ram.

Games are made with the weakest hardware in mind, and so 512MB is maximum for oblivion\Skyrim, and 8GB is maximum for Fallout 4(however since the system\os needs memory, they wont' have access to 8GB, so 7GB-ish is maximum).


vRam vs System ram doesn't really make much of a difference as both take from the pool of avalible memory anyway, which isn't an issue(yet) with 64bit so hardly matters(does of course matter with oblivion and skyrim since it's 32bit).

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The gamebyro engine isn't perfect nor would I ever claim it being so, however allot of the issues people have with it, isn't actually the engines fault, but rather Bethsda's fault. However Bethsda do make huge amount of edits to the gamebyro engine in Morrowind and Oblivion(and most likely, even more with Skyrim and fallout 4) which is why the bugs are on Bethsda's side, rather then gamebyro(also why many of the engine-"specific" bugs are not found in other gamebyro games).

[76561198034396398]

that's why i'm giving FO4 a miss, Beth's quality testing is woefull,Skyrim,FO3,Oblivion (never played Morrowind) were never fully patched,they try to make these massive rich worlds and it ends up being a bugfest, while the modders are tasked to fix it,without the Unofficial patches these games are almost unplayable,unless you know the console commands,i'm hoping for the next TES series to go back to elements of Morrowind and Oblivion (were you can actually fail) but somehow i doubt that will happen

[SKN The LISPer]

Originally posted by Evil Doctor Porkchop:

that's why i'm giving FO4 a miss, Beth's quality testing is woefull,Skyrim,FO3,Oblivion (never played Morrowind) were never fully patched,they try to make these massive rich worlds and it ends up being a bugfest, while the modders are tasked to fix it,without the Unofficial patches these games are almost unplayable,unless you know the console commands,i'm hoping for the next TES series to go back to elements of Morrowind and Oblivion (were you can actually fail) but somehow i doubt that will happen

I'm picking up FO4 when it's in a game of the year edition at 1/4th the price(and on sale), so basically 4-5 years from now(I have unbelivably low expectations, especially after the travisty that was FO3(FO1-tactics fan)), and will also do the same with TES6.

Ignoring the whole dumbing down aspect of the recent releases(oblivion+, as oblivion started the whole dumbing down trend... In fact could argue morrowind started it by reducing the amount of skills you had from daggerfall...) they have a tedency to promise features and give nice-looking E3 videos that just aren't true. Todd Howard is basically the new Peter Molynaux...

They both state ♥♥♥♥ will be in the game that just isn't(like a real working economy you can influence in Skyrim, or real-living NPC's that will have jobs and money to buy food for, and lacking work\money they will\may steal to survive... Where'd that go Todd!? Not to mention the whole civil war thing...)