It must have been the wind.

[saltmummy626]

I havn't played oblivion in some time. I played skyrim for awhile, and uninstalled it after deciding that there was nothing left to see or do. I went back to morrowind and oblivion as they actually provide some new thrill every time I play them, and while playing yesterday I noticed something interesting between oblivion and skyrim. In skyrim, you can puncture a mans lungs with an arrow, he will wander around for a few seconds before deciding (out loud) that the arrow embedded in his chest is a figment of his immagination, and the whistling of his breath as it escapes his perforated organ must just be the wind. You can fire a crossbow bolt through their brain cavity and they'll just pretend it didnt happen. In oblivion though, unless you go invisable right after your arrow hits, are under the effects of a chameleon spell, or very good at stealth, an enemy will instantly know someone is attacking them and come at you with murder in their eyes. Forget the fact that you can still embed a steel tipped wooden shaft into a major organ and the target can continue to live, it's a video game after all, but did NPC's get dumber or what? I understand the code for making the NPC's forget you is probably more complex than the AI code from oblivion but is it worth it when watching a pin cushion walking about, oblivious to what it has become, makes you grimace because it is a much more ridiculous sight than being attacked by an angry bandit with an arrow in his chest?

Discuss please, I'd like to know what other people think of this difference

[wyldefx]

True, that. I get a bandit walking around with my elven arrow sticking out of his arse saying, "...must've been my imagination...."

Then, two arrows later, he falls. His buddy enters the room, sees the corpse, and says, "Oh, god, there's an assassin in our midst."

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arrows again. it's more that hilarious, yes... but such is the price for casualising role-playing classics.

yep, it's not just a computer game thing, it's a role-playing game thing. while many action games simulate reality, role-playing games simulate certain rules. for instance... an arrow launched in an action game is affected only by virtual physics, and an arrow launched in a role-playing game... well, it's affected by much much more, depending on the depth/quality of that role-playing game. possibilities of imagination supposed to be endless, right? at least things should be like this. and breeding rpg and action genres so brutally like bethesda does (since skyrim) can only lead to more absurdities...

majority have spoken! super heavy bikini armors ftw!

[wyldefx]

This an arrow in the eye has no more effect than ... an arrow to the knee.

I remember a playthrough very early on in Skyrim where, after the dust of war settled, my character had an arrow in his knee. Thigh, actually, but close enough. Now if there were any realism in the game I would have been forced to go to Riften and get a job on the city watch.

[saltmummy626]

Judging by the effects regular arrows have on us and the people we shoot with them, I would hate to be hit with the "arrow" that's forcing the worlds adventuring population into retirement and/or work as city watch. Must be like getting shot with a ballista.

[Customs Officer]

You forgot to mention that, even though you are sniping this guy in the middle of the woods, a guard is psychically alerted to your actions and starts sprinting in your direction from the far reaches of the map. You may have casted invisibility immediately, but the victim can detect you regardless half the time and wants your blood.

Meanwhile, in Skyrim, you can place a bucket over the head of the guard right next to you while you puncture lungs of a nearby crowd of people and never garner any suspicion.

Both extremes are hilarious, but I did miss the challenge of remaining undetected when playing Skyrim.

[saltmummy626]

You also have a point, oblivion does have just as much ridiculous AI detection shenanigans. That bucket stuff in skyrim was just... wow. Did anybody else find themselves carrying around a kettle or a basket just for the purpose of stealing stuff?

[Customs Officer]

Yes lol. The bucket is standard thieving equipment, same as the lockpick.

[wyldefx]

The bucket-over-the-head stunt is a throwback from Morrowind. I used it there all the time. Throw the bucket over the head of the shopkeeper and empty his store. Worked great.

Of course, they wore what you sold them. Sell a dress to the poor shopkeeper and he wore it for the rest of the game.😅

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again, if you abuse some ridiculous rule, question is... the rule is ridiculous, or you are ridiculous for abusing it?

[saltmummy626]

The fact that it was possible in the first place was ridiculous, and not in a funny way like we are discussing.

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well, i don't want to blame bethesda only... *sigh* they tried so hard to make elder scrolls V apealing to millions of peoples...

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maybe buckets on heads are common is some small part of the world we didn't even know exists?

[saltmummy626]

Maybe maybe. There was a war fought over a bucket once, In europe, but thats another issue.

[Customs Officer]

Oh come on. Even without the bucket trick, there is no difficulty at all to sneaking about Skyrim. It's not like the easiness is due to the funny exploit.

(I didn't know about the bucket trick in Morrowind. That's hilarious. I've never had a problem emptying a house undetected before, but I never compare it to the other games. It's just about as easy as Skyrim, isn't it?)

[saltmummy626]

Morrowinds stealth is... bad. I have my doubts about a bucket trick in morrowind as well, considering you can't place things directly on NPC's or position objects like you can in oblivion or skyrim. You'd have to stack various items over to where the NPC is standing and engulf their head/body in various objects, AND you'd have to rely on the NPC and nearby guards standing still and not having a wander AI package. Not worth the effort unless you have one of those mods that adds tapestries or moveable bookshelves, in which case, things get REALLY silly. Either way though, I believe NPC in morrowind can see through items. Furniture, no. items you can carry and place? I believe so, yes.

Now I want to test it. :/

Skyrim does have the easiest stealth though. I did like that the weight of your boots affected how easy you were to detect. Until you bought it off with the perk that removed it. Did oblivion have that?