Changing the Lore on Daedra through mods to make game more fun for me is it okay (warning contains spoilers) (this is also a Christian friendly post)?

[!Snezhi😈]

Hello I am going to write this with nice and respectful language. Please be responsible in how you take this because I mean nothing bad by what I write. This post will contain Christian language and Christian views. Do you think that it is okay if I made my own personal mod about destroying a Daedric Prince such as Azura? Being a Christian myself (and I mean this in real life), I do not like the Daedra or Aedra as they are false gods and I want nothing to do with them. I do not like the relative morality in the game about the Daedra and think it is more fun if the character can become immortal and more powerful than the Daedric Princes and end up destroying them (I much more prefer absolute morality and Christian beliefs and well as true humble righteousness). Like for instance I want to make a quest through the construction set where the Champion of Cyrodiil can travel to Azura's realm of Moonshadow and end up destroying her (Azura) or punishing her forever and she wont be able to recover like Daedra are supposed to in the vanilla Lore. Also this mod would change the history of the Daedra through the books and dialogue as well as the history of the player character making him/her able to beat a Daedric Prince. The Daedra will still be strong but the character has the ability to become stronger because his/her history is changed too as well as the history of Nirn. The only thing that is kind of hard for me is how to design a model for Azura (or should she just be a Dark Elf NPC?), how to make the Daedric realm of Moonshadow and how to write scripts. But the main Christian is is it wrong to make a mod that changes the Lore of the game because it seems more fun to me? Please note that I do not condone everything in this game such as magic or the Aedra/Daedra, etc.

[G (For)]

1 - You won't be able to make that.
2 - Don't play the game then.

[Valden21]

I understand your position and respect your beliefs, but the basic fact is that you're not going to be able to make a mod like that unless you want to change the very nature of the game to the point that it wouldn't be really Oblivion anymore. Getting the outcome you desire would require a lot of tinkering into the core of the game's coding, and I don't think Oblivion's Creation Kit allows that. Besides, any changes to that extent would require other changes to the game, and I think that any changes of that of nature would would be very risky on that part of ANYBODY. At best, you'll get something that makes very little sense in the wider scale of the setting's lore. At worst, the result will be an absolute buggy mess.

[Squidbob Spongepants]

If, and I stress if, this isn't a troll post, your best option is not to play elder scrolls games.

The amount of modding and scripting that would require would take years. You're talking about rewriting the entire game.

The chances are not many people will help you destroy the game for religious purposes. If the game offends you at its core like this, you are better off playing another game. Dont play a fantasy game and treat it like reality.

You dont even have to bother with the gods, just accept that they arent real and play on.


But this is clearly a troll post/bait. Come on, it wasnt even a good attempt at trolling.

[Bardock]

You are better off making a fan made elder scrolls game.

[!Snezhi😈]

Hi everyone who responded. And At Sheogorath, your post is quoted below I am not trolling this is just a serious desire because I believe that it would be fun for me personally if it happened.

Originally posted by Sheogorath:

If, and I stress if, this isn't a troll post, your best option is not to play elder scrolls games.

The amount of modding and scripting that would require would take years. You're talking about rewriting the entire game.

The chances are not many people will help you destroy the game for religious purposes. If the game offends you at its core like this, you are better off playing another game. Dont play a fantasy game and treat it like reality.

You dont even have to bother with the gods, just accept that they arent real and play on.


But this is clearly a troll post/bait. Come on, it wasnt even a good attempt at trolling.

Originally posted by Valden21:

I understand your position and respect your beliefs, but the basic fact is that you're not going to be able to make a mod like that unless you want to change the very nature of the game to the point that it wouldn't be really Oblivion anymore. Getting the outcome you desire would require a lot of tinkering into the core of the game's coding, and I don't think Oblivion's Creation Kit allows that. Besides, any changes to that extent would require other changes to the game, and I think that any changes of that of nature would would be very risky on that part of ANYBODY. At best, you'll get something that makes very little sense in the wider scale of the setting's lore. At worst, the result will be an absolute buggy mess.

@Valden Actually, I have tried in the construction set to start on my own project. I would like to share with you my ideas. I know how to make a world space, so I made one and to get to it I put an Anvil Door. However, instead of an Anvil Door I just need to learn how to put the Oblivion Gate as a door (the same one to the Deadlands or the gate to the Shivering Isles, just this time it will be to Moonshadow). I also know how to make NPCs as well as add plants, trees and buildings. Really for the realm of Moonshadow I just want to use Imperial City buildings, but I just need to figure out how to make unique plants and trees through programs such as Blender. This mod would probably only take a few days for someone with moderate modding skills to make and not years (I respect your opinion on it but I do not think it would take that long). And about changing Dialogue I mean it doesn't have to be for every NPC in the game or most NPCs even, someone could just create a Rumor dialogue for everyone or create a few NPCs with their own unique line about the matter. As for the lorebooks on Daedric Princes, just a few need to be edited so that it says that Azura happens to have a weakness. Perhaps one unique lorebook could be made that will activate the quest (and the whole quest line would just involve this and finding the hidden location in the Cyrodiil gameworld of the portal to Moonshadow and then talking to some unique NPCs about finding out how to find and defeat her for good (where she cannot recover or gain power and is punished and destroyed). To make Azura one just needs to make a female Dunmer NPC and just add some written dialogue for her (there doesn't need to be any voicing). After that, they just need to add a different eye color/ different clothes and hairstyle to make her look unique. So the simple quest just consists of reading a book to start it, finding the portal, talking to an NPC in the portal and thus finding Azura and destroying her.

Please tell me everyone what you think of my idea and please respond.

[󰀉tempeh󰀉]

I have a big question and a small question.

The big question's going to take some time to put in words, so for now I'll just stick to the small question:

Why Azura?

She's, like, the nicest one, usually? And when she isn't nice, such as when she cursed the Dunmer, she's usually right. I mean, normally when someone says they can't stand the daedric princes, I expect them to mention Molag Bal or Mephala or Namira...

I can understand you don't like any gods except your own, not even fictional ones, but that doesn't explain why you aren't making a mod to destroy Molag or Mehrunes instead.

So why Azura?

[!Snezhi😈]

Originally posted by 󰀉tempeh󰀉:

I have a big question and a small question.

The big question's going to take some time to put in words, so for now I'll just stick to the small question:

Why Azura?

She's, like, the nicest one, usually? And when she isn't nice, such as when she cursed the Dunmer, she's usually right. I mean, normally when someone says they can't stand the daedric princes, I expect them to mention Molag Bal or Mephala or Namira...

I can understand you don't like any gods except your own, not even fictional ones, but that doesn't explain why you aren't making a mod to destroy Molag or Mehrunes instead.

So why Azura?

I am just kind of interested because I think one of the lorebooks says that her realm was one of the hardest or most impossible to get to. Also according to UESP it says part of here sphere is "as well as vanity and egotism". I have tried dragging Mehrunes Dagon into the game, but I am when I started the game it crashed probably due to his' scripted location. Also for Molag Bal, Mephala and Namira I think they would be harder to make because Azura looks kind of similar to in game NPCs.

EDIT: You are right about Azura and her being nice.

EDIT II: Perhaps there should be a mod still about traveling to her plain of Oblivion though.

[Bomb Bloke]

Originally posted by ttualla:

I have tried dragging Mehrunes Dagon into the game, but I am when I started the game it crashed probably due to his' scripted location.

Mida's Magic[www.nexusmods.com] provides a spell to summon him (or a "demon" that very much looks like him - it's been a while since I had a character who could cast it). You need to first beat him one-on-one in order to obtain it, and he remains hostile to you should you decide to call him forth.

As it happens, there's also an official quest line in the game which has you beating up a Daedric Prince (and I'm not talking about Dagon in the main story). I don't like to say more, as even that much is quite a spoiler, but you'll be getting the means to do it personally.

[󰀉tempeh󰀉]

The thing about vanity and egotism is definitely true, but Azura knows she can catch more flies with honey than vinegar (incidentally, that's not literally true of flies)

[Bilbo Laggins]

With the game being an RPG doing the quests for the Aedra and Daedra are completely optional. You could also just think of them in the game as super powerful beings, but not all powerful, who have so much magical power that they're practically immortal. For example Talos, he was a human but just accumulated so much power that the populus revered him as a god (something that is a hot topic of debate in Skyrim) , same with the Tribunal and the Nerevarine from Morrowind. Approaching the game that way should fit your needs. Also the main quest fits in with what you want to do pretty well. There are so many possibilities with these games I would not let something like this deter you from playing them because they are so much fun.

Edit: I could see them adding this feature into future games but right now it would be hard to produce that sort of option without having to have a beastly computer to run the game because the quests would be HUGE

[just.nuke.em]

Originally posted by ttualla:

I do not like the relative morality in the game about the Daedra and think it is more fun if the character can become immortal and more powerful than the Daedric Princes and end up destroying them (I much more prefer absolute morality and Christian beliefs and well as true humble righteousness).

The emphasized part is by nature contrary to your Christian belief system. So what again are you trying to solve here?

[!Snezhi😈]

Originally posted by just.nuke.em:

Originally posted by ttualla:

I do not like the relative morality in the game about the Daedra and think it is more fun if the character can become immortal and more powerful than the Daedric Princes and end up destroying them (I much more prefer absolute morality and Christian beliefs and well as true humble righteousness).

The emphasized part is by nature contrary to your Christian belief system. So what again are you trying to solve here?

No, it is not against my Christian belief system. I believe in killing all of the evil creatures such as trolls, ogres, liches, etc. (EDIT: And by killing, I just mean these evil monsters in the video game and I changed what not to etc.). I am not against the Aedra in the game either, but I just do not idolize/worship them or serve them. I do believe that they (the Aedra) stand for the good guys because they represent things that are supposed to be good while the Daedra represent evil things. My main point is that I do not like that the main villain (the Daedric Prince who I will not name due to spoilers) is supposed to be stronger than the good guys in the context of the game (The Aedra).

[ralphtobybob]

So basically, you want to go around killing, looting and stealing for your deity? That does sound like what Christianity did in the Americas. Strangely enough though, there isn't much killing in the New Testament. The divine instructions to kill, maim, enslave and conquer territory are limited to the Old Testament. Christianity was founded on the teachings in the New Testament.
By the way, if Jesus was born in Oblivion, he would be a dark elf, since he was originally born in the Middle East, not Sweden or Norway or Skyrim.

[!Snezhi😈]

Originally posted by ralphtobybob:

So basically, you want to go around killing, looting and stealing for your deity? That does sound like what Christianity did in the Americas. Strangely enough though, there isn't much killing in the New Testament. The divine instructions to kill, maim, enslave and conquer territory are limited to the Old Testament. Christianity was founded on the teachings in the New Testament.
By the way, if Jesus was born in Oblivion, he would be a dark elf, since he was originally born in the Middle East, not Sweden or Norway or Skyrim.

When I first played Oblivion, I played on the PS3 as a Dark Elf. I change what I said in the initial first post. I am a real big high fantasy fan and I appreciate the mythology in the game and know how to separate it from the real world. The main point is about how can I or someone else make a mod to destroy a Daedric Prince as it is not something that is lore-friendly since they are immortal but it would be fun for me and many other players who want to as well.

[Dakuwan]

Originally posted by ttualla:

Originally posted by ralphtobybob:

So basically, you want to go around killing, looting and stealing for your deity? That does sound like what Christianity did in the Americas. Strangely enough though, there isn't much killing in the New Testament. The divine instructions to kill, maim, enslave and conquer territory are limited to the Old Testament. Christianity was founded on the teachings in the New Testament.
By the way, if Jesus was born in Oblivion, he would be a dark elf, since he was originally born in the Middle East, not Sweden or Norway or Skyrim.

When I first played Oblivion, I played on the PS3 as a Dark Elf. I change what I said in the initial first post. I am a real big high fantasy fan and I appreciate the mythology in the game and know how to separate it from the real world. The main point is about how can I or someone else make a mod to destroy a Daedric Prince as it is not something that is lore-friendly since they are immortal but it would be fun for me and many other players who want to as well.

" vengeance is mine"