Advice concerning OR and OCOv2

[Dubba_D]

A little backstory first...it had been a while since I had last played Oblivion until I had one of those urges to play a different BGS game (as I'm sure many of you had this experience). I hit the .exe and OB checks my hardware (set it to medium despite having GTX 1080, 16GB RAM, etc., but whatever). To shorten things a bit, once my frames began to dip for no disernable reason, I decided to to a re-install.

This time, however, I would be trying out Oblivion Reloaded in place of OB ENB, which had these awful sun halos I despised everytime I looked into the sun. I was still going to use Oblivion Character Overhaul v2, for obvious reason. I installed OR first, and then OCOv2 (don't worry, I have Blockhead). Upon entering the dungeon, I notices several things: The elves didn't have their angular faces and alien eyes, and the khajiit/argonians suffered the worst with hilariously elongated snouts.

So, after several failed attempts to fix this, I have once again reinstalled OB and pose a question to anyone who is hopefully more competent at this than I; Which should I install first, OR or OCO? Are there other things I need to be aware of?

[Arrancar]

I played Oblivion with 3 different GPUs and it always set settings to medium. The FPS issue is Steam related. I never had any major issues with my DVD version(with mods ofc). After I started to play Steam version(with mods again ofc) I've noticed that after playing for an hour(sometimes 30 minutes, sometimes 2 hours, sometimes it never happened) my FPS began to drop for no reason. Literally it would go down for no reason and never went back up, restarting the game fixed it.
Ofc if you are talking abot regular FPS drops it is normal for Oblivion, since it will use only 1 core of your CPU(FPS drops are most common when there is many NPCs, like in Cities).
For OCOv2 to run correctly you need OBSE and Blockhead. Also for Installation of OCOv2 use Oblivion Mod Manager, since manual may cause issues.
Order :
1. install OBSE and Blockhead.
2. body replacer(like HGEC), if you have any.
3. OCOv2.
4. OCOv2 textures for body replacer(if you used any in step 2.)
There are also fixes for some races like Orc etc...for OCOv2.
OCOv2 might cause some issues with quests(Horse armor for example), but there are fixes for that too.
I have no experience with OR or OB ENB, so I can't help you with these, but if they just change textures for enviroment, install them before OCOv2 and after OBSE.

[Dubba_D]

Originally posted by Arrancar:

I played Oblivion with 3 different GPUs and it always set settings to medium. The FPS issue is Steam related. I never had any major issues with my DVD version(with mods ofc). After I started to play Steam version(with mods again ofc) I've noticed that after playing for an hour(sometimes 30 minutes, sometimes 2 hours, sometimes it never happened) my FPS began to drop for no reason. Literally it would go down for no reason and never went back up, restarting the game fixed it.
Ofc if you are talking abot regular FPS drops it is normal for Oblivion, since it will use only 1 core of your CPU(FPS drops are most common when there is many NPCs, like in Cities).
For OCOv2 to run correctly you need OBSE and Blockhead. Also for Installation of OCOv2 use Oblivion Mod Manager, since manual may cause issues.
Order :
1. install OBSE and Blockhead.
2. body replacer(like HGEC), if you have any.
3. OCOv2.
4. OCOv2 textures for body replacer(if you used any in step 2.)
There are also fixes for some races like Orc etc...for OCOv2.
OCOv2 might cause some issues with quests(Horse armor for example), but there are fixes for that too.
I have no experience with OR or OB ENB, so I can't help you with these, but if they just change textures for enviroment, install them before OCOv2 and after OBSE.

Oh, these FPS drops were strange, I tell you. The intro movie right after you boot up the game began stuttering. Even out in the wilderness, my frames were always in the teens.

Upon closer inspection of ENB, it only seems to use .ini files depending on your OS and GPU. It doesn't affect meshes/textures in any capacity. OR, on the other hand, seems to add new meshes and textures, which is likely due to it adding horseback combat a la Skyrim. Despite these additions, I'm skeptical of what may be causing these character mesh messes.

BTW, I've never noticed that check mark icon alongside reply and flag buttons. I wonder what that does...

[Asunas_Slave]

I installed OR first. I can tell you that I had a LOT of issues with OR that required me a to do a lot of troubleshooting and to be honest unless you REALLY like the features I don't advise it. I had issues with the screen turning black when attacking & out of fatigue as well as numerous FPS issues. For the record I'm playing on a brand new gaming laptop with i7 core, 1060TI video card, so I know it wasn't my system.

Some of these problems I did solve w/ using various utilities such as stutter remover, silent feet, turning quality from HDR to Bloom, etc but some I did not fix.

I was also using the character overhaul along with the male/female body replace, new skeleton and seam fix.

I just don't think it's worth the possible issues.

[Dubba_D]

Originally posted by jhamric1989:

I installed OR first. I can tell you that I had a LOT of issues with OR that required me a to do a lot of troubleshooting and to be honest unless you REALLY like the features I don't advise it. I had issues with the screen turning black when attacking & out of fatigue as well as numerous FPS issues. For the record I'm playing on a brand new gaming laptop with i7 core, 1060TI video card, so I know it wasn't my system.

Some of these problems I did solve w/ using various utilities such as stutter remover, silent feet, turning quality from HDR to Bloom, etc but some I did not fix.

I was also using the character overhaul along with the male/female body replace, new skeleton and seam fix.

I just don't think it's worth the possible issues.

So which would you prefer to use? OR or OCO? (If you had to pick one or the other)

[cyäegha]

they literally have zero interaction outside of the skin shader option in OR - which can be toggled off, as can every other feature or 'bug' like

Originally posted by jhamric1989:

the screen turning black when attacking & out of fatigue

your problems are typically linked to the way facegen is handled by mods, and if OCO is overwritten by overhaul mods, for example, faces will become messed up and return to vanilla values

inversely, if OCO overwrites mods, the faces are preserved but other edits will not be parsed

if i had to choose only one, i'd rather have OR and run it with something like enhanced genetics overhaul, but ultimately you can run both without issues; facegen problems are typically something you'll have to patch manually using xEdit, or i'm told wrye bash can fix