Paint Brushes still floating in air PLEASE HELP

[Contra Machina]

I have Oblivion GOTY: Deluxe edition. I bought it on GOG. It is version 1.2.0416.

I have not installed the Official Oblivion Patch version 1.2.0416 because I'm under the impression that GOG has already incorporated this patch, as when playing the game it says 1.2.0416 in the bottom left corner.

I HAVE installed the Unofficial Oblivion Patch correctly. I have read reports that the paint brush bug has been fixed, however this does not appear to be the case.

I have heard that PS3 versions of Oblivion have been patched to fix the paint brush bug.

Can someone please help me fix this bug?

[Bomb Bloke]

Official patches don't fix the paintbrush bug. The unofficial patch does. If you do have the unofficial patch active and they're still floating, then odds are you've got another mod lower down in your load order which is reverting the fix.

[Contra Machina]

I am sure that I have no other mods which alter paint brushes in any way, or would revert the changes made by the unofficial patch. The unofficial patch has meshes for the paint brushes which I have correctly installed into their appropriate locations in the Data folder.
:(

[Bomb Bloke]

Hmm. You wouldn't happen to also go by "itsbooby", would you?

I notice that the unofficial patch was recently updated (roughly a month ago), and Arthmoor is suddenly claiming that it never contained a paintbrush fix.

That, to me, suggests that he's actually gone and stripped it out, thinking it to be redundant. The version of the patch I have is an older copy (3.4.4 - Nexus currently only has 3.5.6), and certainly my paintbrushes don't float.

Just to confirm, you're simply shift-clicking the brushes within your inventory, right? I notice that a lot of the confusion amongst PS3 users boils down to the method they use to drop things (apparently dropping with L2 makes them float, but Square doesn't), and something similar might be going on between us.

[Contra Machina]

Yeah, that's me.

Even the newest version of the Unofficial Oblivion Patch (3.5.6) has meshes for paint brushes in its files. I tried using the paint brush mesh files from version 3.5.4 but it didn't fix the problem.

And yes, I'm just shift-clicking the paint brushes to drop them from my inventory.

I wish there was a way I could get my hands on an older version of the patch like you have.

[DrNewcenstein]

Don't drop them unless you're building a paintbrush staircase. Store them in one of the many crates or barrels or corpses of a dead animal.

[Contra Machina]

Originally posted by DrNewcenstein:

Don't drop them unless you're building a paintbrush staircase. Store them in one of the many crates or barrels or corpses of a dead animal.

:(

[Bomb Bloke]

I backed up my load order, and then disabled all unofficial plugins. Paintbrushes still fell correctly.

I then removed the paintbrush NIFs from Data\meshes\clutter\ArtSupplies (where I had them as loose files), and they froze in the air after that.

Next I downloaded UOP 3.5.6, and installed its versions of the NIFs. This corrected the problem again: so the unofficial patch certainly IS required, and the latest version DOES still contain the fix.

So I suppose the next question is: how are you installing the patch? Are you manually extracting it, or are you using a third-party mod manager to install it for you?

[Contra Machina]

Originally posted by Bomb Bloke:

I backed up my load order, and then disabled all unofficial plugins. Paintbrushes still fell correctly.

I then removed the paintbrush NIFs from Data\meshes\clutter\ArtSupplies (where I had them as loose files), and they froze in the air after that.

Next I downloaded 3.5.6, and installed its versions of the NIFs. This corrected the problem again: so the patch certainly IS required, and the latest version DOES still contain the fix.

So I suppose the next question is: how are you installing the patch? Are you manually extracting it, or are you using a third-party mod manager to install it for you?

I manually extracted it. I'm positive that I have installed the paint brush meshes in the correct locations.

[Contra Machina]

I wonder if the fact that I'm using the GOG version has anything to do with this? Probably not...

[Bomb Bloke]

Originally posted by jSovereign:

I'm positive that I have installed the paint brush meshes in the correct locations.

Assuming you're right, and the files are in the correct places in their correct states, there's a few possibilities as to why the game wouldn't load them.

I'm thinking that the time stamps on your BSAs might be the issue - Oblivion will ignore the loose paintbrush mesh files if they're "older" than the archives which contain the "official" (bugged) copies. Normally, Oblivion.bsa should be dated 2006, whereas the loose NIFs would be 2008 - I'm thinking the GOG installer might've just dated all your BSAs as 2018.

There are a number of tools which can deal with this, if that's the case. I think I spotted a mention of OBMM before you ninja-editted? Try Utilities => Archive Invalidation => Reset BSA Timestamps.

[Contra Machina]

Originally posted by Bomb Bloke:

Originally posted by jSovereign:

I'm positive that I have installed the paint brush meshes in the correct locations.

Assumng you're right, and the files are in the correct places in their correct states, there's a few possibilities as to why the game wouldn't load them.

I'm thinking that the time stamps on your BSAs might be the issue - Oblivion will ignore the loose paintbrush mesh files if they're "older" than the archives which contain the "official" (bugged) copies. Normally, Oblivion.bsa should be dated 2006, whereas the loose NIFs would be 2008 - I'm thinking the GOG installer might've just dated all your BSAs as 2018.

There are a number of tools which can deal with this, if that's the case. I think I spotted a mention of OBMM before you ninja-editted? Try Utilities => Archive Invalidation => Reset BSA Timestamps.

Wow, you're amazing. I don't know how you did it, or how you knew this, but I'll say it again: you're amazing.
This fixed the problem, and the paintbrush now falls to the ground!
I am so grateful to you, thanks so much, friend!

[Bomb Bloke]

Good to hear. :)

It'd pay to edit (or just reply to) your comments over at nexusmods to note that 1) UOP does still contain a fix and 2) you had to reset your BSA timestamps before it started working for you.

[Contra Machina]

I'll do this right now. I'll also link to this thread in those comments so people can find a solution.
:)

[Squidbob Spongepants]

You should have kept the bug in! It's awesome! In what other game can you make a stairway to the heavens with paintbrushes?

[DrNewcenstein]

Originally posted by The Serpent:

You should have kept the bug in! It's awesome! In what other game can you make a stairway to the heavens with paintbrushes?

Given the sh*t-fits Havok goes into, I'm wondering why the f*ck anyone would even think dropping anything in the open world is a good idea.

Store it in chests, crates, and cadavers. Preferably cadavers. When the game cleans them up, they take the junk with them.