Breton's are truly the best race

[Shikabane屍]

Speaking as a man who has admittedly put more hours into this game than they have doing anything productive- between my disk version on my old pc years ago- to the ps3 version- now to my steam version with over 600 hours on that one alone. I can say without a shadow of a doubt- Bretons are simply- the single best race without any argument.

Magic is by far the most OP way to play oblivion due to its broken spellmaking system- with magic you can make spells that let you travel faster than jet planes, instant kill enemies with endurance manipulation, Telekinesis glitch an atronach character to have FREE spells, rain down absolute chaos with AOE spells- and oh so much more. Compared to Stealth/Archery and Melee builds there is no contest- even with super poisons your archery and melee builds will simply never be able to keep up with the sheer dps output you can do as a properly built mage.

But the High Elf- surely this is better correct? Atronach + High Elf is one of the most powerful builds yes indeed- no question achieving the impressive 450 magicka (200 INT, 100 Racial bonus, 150 Birthsign) as your base is impressive yes- accompanied with Necromancer amulet obtainable with the Skull of Corruption glitch alongside a full gear of fortify magicka sigil stone clothes and a little bit of telekinesis manipulation you too can reign supereme.

However the breton can do this and more without atronach- to the point where i pick Breton Mage for EVERY. SINGLE. BUILD. and every single challenge run. No Equip Load? Breton. Pacifist Run? Breton. Bow only? Breton.

Why? because their natural 50% resist magic is completely utterly good throughout the entire game- where as the weakness of the high elf is a detriment and the mediocre abilities of most other races get powercrept- (orcs get 25% which is fine but yeesh they ugly tho) but 50 bonus magic and 50% resistance is NEVER useless, even in the late game.

By level 22 Raven Camoran drops one of (if not the most) powerful ring in the game the Mundane Ring which whilst on a breton gives you complete immunity to all magic, which is excellent for dealing with late game liches with reflect magic and waves upon waves of Gloom Wraiths.

Meaning you have a free ring slot for 'The Ring of the Iron Fist' "Necklace of swords" (or the axe one if you perfer), and the Level 25+ Escutcheon of Chorrol (which only reduces your Spell Effectiveness if you actually wear it, I.E. wield a 2 handed weapon, staff, bow, or no weapon and you're fine) and BAM 100% reflect damage, now the only things that can harm you are gravity, and arrows, meaning most things cant even touch your now godly character.

Yes other races can achieve this with way more enchantment slots- but as a breton you still can have a Shirt/Blouse, Skirt/Pant, Shoes, Wrist Irons, and hood for 5 additional enchantment slots (assuming you dont use ring glitch), in which case you now have the most optimal character for performing this. Every other race cant possibly match the late game prowess of the Breton as quickly or efficiently. Sure Necklace of Swords and Iron fist are hard to find- but just run the gauntlet that is the Temple of the Ancestor Moths and kill the final guy over and over till you get the drops. OR if you have 50+ Mercantile, go to new sheoth and go to Earil's Mysteries and rng roll until you get them.

Atronach Elves commonly default to Spelldrinker Amulet, Sorcerer's ring, to achieve their reflect damage- taking up their valuable necklace slot making reflect damage much tricker- as you will most likely need to utilize Transcendent sigil stones on clothing slots to free your neck for the necklace in such a case- resulting in more work (assuming you dont just dupe the sigil stones but i digress)

But optimalization aside- Bretons despite lacking early stats in key areas- easily can become whatever you need them to be. My latest character a Mage archer- utilizes archery as their main offense, i chose female for the bonus to speed, and accepted the absolute crap agility, selected mage because attribute bonus birthsigns are short term benefits and shouldnt be prioritized over the longterm benefit of free magic. I am now level 16 and have maximized my agility through efficient leveling AND my speed, It takes more work- but instead of being lazy and picking a lousy wood elf for short term gains and a power that stops working by the time you hit level 10, i stuck with it and now have a much better character for my mid to late game.

and most importantly- Bretons are one of the easiest races to make look decent with oblivion potato heads

I dont like the Modded faces on the nexus... they look worse imo. Thank you for listening to my tedtalk.

[Lobo de hielo]

You say you do not play that level, 20 -30, and then go on about playing level 40+.
Whose not listening. All builds by then are totally generic.
100% magic immunity, so what. Get thumped by a big Orc with an axe and go "but I have 100% magic immunity, please leave me alone".
This game is beaten at level 30 and under by a lot of people. Level 40? You really are pulling my leg about not building to be OP'ed and generic. Do the math.
Most experienced players would not need to get anywhere near that level.
You a Troll? Certainly starting to sound like it.
Enjoy the game.
Thread over for me.

[theo]

Oblivion players are weirdos with min-maxing addiction

[Valden21]

OP, there's no such thing in this game as "the best race". There's only the best race for particular playstyles. Your entire argument is based around magic and what that can do for Bretons, but what you're not recognizing is that EVERY race can do those same things; it just takes a little longer for the others. That 50% Resist Magic effect? Sure, Bretons have that automatically, but not every enemy USES magical attacks. Indeed, the majority of enemies in the game DON'T use magical attacks, so Resist Magic is useless against them. IF Bretons had one amazing ability that no other race in the game had, I'd be more inclined to agree with you. But in fact, that's not the case; each race has one unique ability going for them, and they ALL can gain the same abilities that Bretons can. So ultimately, there's no "best race"; at most, it's situational.

[Shikabane屍]

Valden21 eredeti hozzászólása:

OP, there's no such thing in this game as "the best race". There's only the best race for particular playstyles. Your entire argument is based around magic and what that can do for Bretons, but what you're not recognizing is that EVERY race can do those same things; it just takes a little longer for the others. That 50% Resist Magic effect? Sure, Bretons have that automatically, but not every enemy USES magical attacks. Indeed, the majority of enemies in the game DON'T use magical attacks, so Resist Magic is useless against them. IF Bretons had one amazing ability that no other race in the game had, I'd be more inclined to agree with you. But in fact, that's not the case; each race has one unique ability going for them, and they ALL can gain the same abilities that Bretons can. So ultimately, there's no "best race"; at most, it's situational.

I have already refuted this point- i would ask you to read previous statements in the threat. Thank You.

[Heimdall313]

Your entire premise is flawed because any race can equally achieve 100% chameleon which is objectively superior to 100% Resist Magic + 100% reflect damage.

You need to hit 22 for Mundane Ring. Chameleon only needs level 17 for Sigil Stones. Archery as your weapon negates Reflect Damage, so you only get smoked by Oblivion water, traps, and gravity, which is actually LESS damage sources than +100% Resist+Reflect since it removes arrows.

Any idiot can hit 50 Illusion for Invisibility to speed through Oblivion Gates for sigil stones by level 17. Altmer, Argonian, and Breton start with +5 Illusion, but since Altmer have +100 Magicka as a racial bonus and Bretons have +50 Magicka, and both Breton sexes have -10 Endurance, the Male Altmer has higher HP and Magicka than the Breton upon achieving 100% Chameleon asap, and maintains this advantage permanently.

Thus, you're wrong by premise. Male Altmer is master race, you Francophiliac.

[Valden21]

OP, in fact, you HAVEN'T refuted my statement. Resist Magic isn't as OP an ability as you make it out to be, because just not that many enemies use purely magical abilities, especially early game. If Resist Magic was truly as useful as you claim, it would provide the same defense against elemental spells, like those dealing Fire, Frost, and Shock damage, as it does to other offensive abilities. But it does NOT; you still need the requisite elemental defense spells to get protection from elemental damage. Furthermore, Bretons are not the only race that GETS a Resist Magic ability; Orcs get one too, albeit a slightly weaker one. Even then, Resist Magic still does NOTHING to protect you from physical damage, just magical damage. Resist Magic is still good, but you're portraying it as a "insta-win every fight" ability, which is just not the case. There is no single situation in the game where the only hazard is from magic. Even when you're fighting mages, they're almost always accompanied by enemies/hazards whose main method of hurting you is through physical damage, or they have some backup physical means of doing damage.

Ultimately, it's up to you whether or not you agree with me, OP. But I still don't believe that Bretons are the best race in the game, because I just don't think that the game HAS a "best race"; it's up to player preference, and that's just how it works. That's all I'm going to continue to say about this.

[Heimdall313]

Valden21 eredeti hozzászólása:

OP, in fact, you HAVEN'T refuted my statement. Resist Magic isn't as OP an ability as you make it out to be, because just not that many enemies use purely magical abilities, especially early game. If Resist Magic was truly as useful as you claim, it would provide the same defense against elemental spells, like those dealing Fire, Frost, and Shock damage, as it does to other offensive abilities. But it does NOT; you still need the requisite elemental defense spells to get protection from elemental damage. Furthermore, Bretons are not the only race that GETS a Resist Magic ability; Orcs get one too, albeit a slightly weaker one. Even then, Resist Magic still does NOTHING to protect you from physical damage, just magical damage. Resist Magic is still good, but you're portraying it as a "insta-win every fight" ability, which is just not the case. There is no single situation in the game where the only hazard is from magic. Even when you're fighting mages, they're almost always accompanied by enemies/hazards whose main method of hurting you is through physical damage, or they have some backup physical means of doing damage.

Ultimately, it's up to you whether or not you agree with me, OP. But I still don't believe that Bretons are the best race in the game, because I just don't think that the game HAS a "best race"; it's up to player preference, and that's just how it works. That's all I'm going to continue to say about this.

Resist Magic does increase your resistance to (magical) Fire/Frost/Shock damage. Enemies don't use elemental poisons, so Resist Magic 25% reduces Fire damage received by 25% for all intents and purposes. So, if you are 100% resistant to Magic, you are immune to elemental damage.
Same applies to Spell Absorption - there's no elemental poison used by enemies, so you're immune to enemy Elemental damage at 100% absorption. :P

[arottweiler]

Besides all the other benefits Bretons look the best. Perhaps a bit pale but nothing some beef steaks and potatos can't sort out.

[ahseph]

hey, my 1st char is Breton as I wanted to play magic - best race
my 2nd character is Nord because I want to play melee only with no magic - best race
Breton doesn't cut it here for this role because of its cultural background and history, so not the best race here. Nord is better suited.

I usually don't role play other races other than human-like (Breton, Redguard, Nord) because it feels weird to me.

So my argument is on role play perspective, Breton is not the best race for everything. :)

[Shikabane屍]

ahseph eredeti hozzászólása:

hey, my 1st char is Breton as I wanted to play magic - best race
my 2nd character is Nord because I want to play melee only with no magic - best race
Breton doesn't cut it here for this role because of its cultural background and history, so not the best race here. Nord is better suited.

I usually don't role play other races other than human-like (Breton, Redguard, Nord) because it feels weird to me.

So my argument is on role play perspective, Breton is not the best race for everything. :)

Bretons are a better warrior than any warrior-classes simply because once both classes reach 100 in their combat skills they will deal the same base dps.

Nords being slightly better at combat early on dont justify them being a worse character than the same statistical character as a breton in the late game when both have maxed their combat stats.

Also cultural influence doesnt matter

[MeinChurro]

In Oblivion specifically they probably are my preferred race to play, them and imperial. Mostly because they look better and they are decent enough.

[lar unuruur]

high elf atronach is THE most powerful combination. bretons are second. at max diff, while leveling, magicka either kills or fills. at maxed level, more base magicka makes character stronger than anything else.

[Yunnan]

Shikabane屍 eredeti hozzászólása:

Still no arguments that im wrong regardless, no one seems to understand that the point of the post is that Bretons are infact the superior race compared to any others. So far no arguments- just copium

Argonians best race cause lizard.

[Wai]

This is an old post.

But, I am all for the Breton Mage as top build as that is my preference, But, the low endurance, especially for a female, which I play, is a problem for sure. It needs a bit of care to ensure +5 endurance on every level early in the game.

[Mink]

Very cool, didn't read any of it.
Wood elves are the best race