Gilbert Grapes Missing From Midas Spells Mod

[arottweiler]

I'm trying to join the Oht Quam Oht Fraternity so I can complete those quests before starting The Astral Realm but it seems the NPC who gives the dialogue to join is nowhere to be found. The guide says Gilbert Grapes should be behind the counter in the Oht Quam Oht building 24/7 but instead there is someone called Sousemorious Barfington standing behind the counter who doesn't have any option to join. I've tried maxing out his disposition to 76 with bribes and a charm spell but there is still no dialogue to join.

I could skip straight on to The Astral Realm quest but I would like to do it in order and I'm only level 7 so have a few more levels before I'll be ready to take on the tougher Midas quests. Any ideas why I can't find Gilbert Grapes? Chet Donnelly, Wyatt Donnelly and Gary Wallace are always in the building milling about but none of them have dialogue to join.

It's been a long time since I've used the Construction Set but could I find out Gilbert's form ID so I can try spawning him to my position using the console?

[Bomb Bloke]

"Spawning" a new instance of Gilbert probably isn't a good idea, but you can use his refID to move the original (or to move yourself to him). I'm seeing it as xx0152d7. Bear in mind you need to replace xx with the mod's position in your load order - you can just use the console to select any other MM NPC to see what the correct identifier should be.

player.moveto xx0152d7

[arottweiler]

Originally posted by Bomb Bloke:

"Spawning" a new instance of Gilbert probably isn't a good idea, but you can use his refID to move the original (or to move yourself to him). I'm seeing it as xx0152d7. Bear in mind you need to replace xx with the mod's position in your load order - you can just use the console to select any other MM NPC to see what the correct identifier should be.

player.moveto xx0152d7

Cheers for that I used the console on Midas himself to work out it was 28.....player.moveto 280152d7 moved me to Sousemorious Barfington. Still no option to join so maybe I need to do something else first.

[Bomb Bloke]

So either Gilbert isn't in your version of the mod (he and Sousemorious may've been switched at some point in development), or they're two separate NPCs which happen to be located at the same position.

Open the console and click Sousemorious. Does he show the same refID Gilbert is supposed to have?

If not, go to a clear area of floor, and enter:

prid 280152d7
moveto player
enable
resurrect 1

... and see if Gilbert pops into view.

[arottweiler]

yep, the console shows Sousemorious has the same refID and after searching for Gilbert Grapes on google I've noticed they look identical as well. I had this same problem on an old PC using the same version of the mod and could never work out how to join in that game. I'll ask about it on the Nexusmods.com page and post here if someone can confirm what the issue is. The guide doesn't mention any requirements to join the fraternity but my personality is very low so maybe that's a factor.

[Bomb Bloke]

It's a bit of a head-scratcher. I have version 0995, which seems to be the most recent one posted to nexus, so unless you've gone out of your way to install an older copy we should be running the same thing.

I do notice that the files page has a "patch A" on it which I'm not sure whether I've installed, but apparently that only relates to the fire world.

Wouldn't surprise me all that much if Sousemorious ends up turning into Gilbert once you reach the Astral Realm!