Infamy Sucks

[The Lemon]

I've dun goofed apparentally because I went and got myself some relics of the crusader and am now doing the thieves guild quests. It's pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ how the only way to reduce infamy is go on the most tedious route in the world, the pilgrim's path or whatnot. But I would like to complete the quests, so what is the best solution, or quickest route to go through the path?

[Bomb Bloke]

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Wayshrines#The_Pilgrimage_of_the_Nine_Divines:_Suggested_Tours

I suggest completing the thieves guild questline before doing the pilgrimage again, as the artifact you receive has some interesting properties that allow you to better manage your infamy once you have it.

[The Lemon]

Originally posted by Bomb Bloke:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Wayshrines#The_Pilgrimage_of_the_Nine_Divines:_Suggested_Tours

I suggest completing the thieves guild questline before doing the pilgrimage again, as the artifact you receive has some interesting properties that allow you to better manage your infamy once you have it.

Thanks, are there any other armors that you would suggest I could use instead? (during the questline)

[Bomb Bloke]

The protection available to you has more to do with your level (governing what you can find) and your skill (governing how effectively your gear confers its bonuses). You shouldn't have much trouble just wearing "whatever you happen to find".

However, I do recommend wearing stuff from the light armour class. Less weight means less of a penalty to your movement speed.

Of course, if it's looks you're asking about, then that's a whole different kettle of fish... if you simply want something flashy that's easy to obtain, run off to the Shivering Isles and collect Amber or Madstone for a bit.

Or there are the many options available through mods...

[Chaos Epoch]

Originally posted by Bomb Bloke:

The protection available to you has more to do with your level (governing what you can find) and your skill (governing how effectively your gear confers its bonuses). You shouldn't have much trouble just wearing "whatever you happen to find".

However, I do recommend wearing stuff from the light armour class. Less weight means less of a penalty to your movement speed.

Of course, if it's looks you're asking about, then that's a whole different kettle of fish... if you simply want something flashy that's easy to obtain, run off to the Shivering Isles and collect Amber or Madstone for a bit.

Or there are the many options available through mods...

The problem with light armor is it's good early game for the speed bonus but becomes useless next to heavy armor late game once you get the weight reduction perks for heavy. Even with the armor buff perks that light has.

You can easily sneak in it as well.

[Bomb Bloke]

In the "late game" you'll be getting max protection out of light, so there's no point in ever levelling heavy.

[The Lemon]

Level 8 and a light armor user, thanks for the help

But for the amber armor, aren't the shivering isles a one-way ticket?

[Bomb Bloke]

Nope! You can come and go as you please.

[The Lemon]

Originally posted by Bomb Bloke:

Nope! You can come and go as you please.

is the amber armor easy to get at my level? it seems pretty OP

[Bomb Bloke]

Sure. Note that the higher the level you are, the better the version of the armor you can have forged - but since there's an unlimited supply of amber spawning around the isles, you can have as many suits made as you like. There's no "penalty" to getting one of the low-level versions early.

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Best solution is if u have decent level of Restoration,make spell that fortifies Speed and Athletics and name it Rapid Dave. That should cut your Cyrodil jorney in half..Also, why the hell wouldnt you go on pilgrimige ? So many beutifull places to see and highwaymans to kill

[The Lemon]

Originally posted by tsar:

Best solution is if u have decent level of Restoration,make spell that fortifies Speed and Athletics and name it Rapid Dave. That should cut your Cyrodil jorney in half..Also, why the hell wouldnt you go on pilgrimige ? So many beutifull places to see and highwaymans to kill

I dunno, as far as I know my magicka is really terrible (Nightblades don't boost intelligence) and I don't have enough gold to produce a spell that makes a significant impact.

[Chaos Epoch]

Originally posted by Bomb Bloke:

In the "late game" you'll be getting max protection out of light, so there's no point in ever levelling heavy.

Which stock armor wise, is still worse off then Heavy armor. (Not looking at Shivering) and when spells like feather and fortify exist, help to negate those early game speed debuffs. Pack mule is the best spell in game imho.

Originally posted by The Lemon:

Originally posted by Bomb Bloke:

Nope! You can come and go as you please.

is the amber armor easy to get at my level? it seems pretty OP

You can create Shivering armor/weapons as much as you want. You have a almost unlimited supply of materials for it. It's almost always better then gear you find at the same level.

The only downside to getting it early is if you're doing Shivering isles quests alongside getting it. As the unique spells and items you get in the DLC are also the best in the game. And some items max out at lvl 35 instead of stock Oblivion's 25.

[psychotron666]

Yeah complete the thieves guild and you basically get a second identity with its own bounty and infamy rating, you just do crimes while in that identity and are completely innocent in your other identity.

Otherwise if you wanna be a holy crusader, the gods generally look down upon the criminal underworld.

[Bomb Bloke]

Originally posted by Chaos Epoch:

Which stock armor wise, is still worse off then Heavy armor

How the heck would you argue that one weightless set giving "max protection" is better than another weightless set giving "max protection"? They end up exactly the same.

And I'm not saying you need light armour from a mod or even an expansion to hit the cap. You can do it with bog-standard glass.

Your suggested spells will obviously work for either choice... but better for light.

[Chaos Epoch]

Originally posted by Bomb Bloke:

Originally posted by Chaos Epoch:

Which stock armor wise, is still worse off then Heavy armor

How the heck would you argue that one weightless set giving "max protection" is better than another weightless set giving "max protection"? They end up exactly the same.

And I'm not saying you need light armour from a mod or even an expansion to hit the cap. You can do it with bog-standard glass.

Your suggested spells will obviously work for either choice... but better for light.

Alright. So as Heavy Armor falls under the Attribute Endurance you natrually gain more Endurance ticks during level up. All Attributes are good to level up but stat wise you want to focus on Endurance fast, as the higher that is, the more health points you gain on level up, having it low for too long can have a compounding effect later on.

In addition, Heavy Armor has a higher durability before it starts to break then Light, meaning that...

- Taking many subsequent hits between repairs won't end up hurting as much.
- Your repair hammers get more swings in. Which is tied to Endurance and see above.

tl;dr. You can tank more hits by having higher HP and higher item durabilty for longer.