Why does the Mages Guild never suspect you? (Spoilers)

[zafire063]

So after the recommendation quests:

A Mage's Staff - You visit Wellspring Cave, return to tell Raminus that everyone was killed by Necromancers, but you killed all the Necromancers single handed, leaving you as the only survivor.

Ulterior Motives - Mages Guild suspects Count of Skingrad. They trust you to give them information that the count is on their side. Some people die, Mage's guild takes your word for it.

Vahtacen's Secret - Okay, nothing bad happens here.

Necromancer's Moon - They help you figure out how to create Black Soul Gems.

Liberation or Apprehension? - Support two Battlemage's to find a Mage named Nenyond Twyll, a spy. Not only do you return to say Nenyond Twyll is dead, but both the battlemage's are dead and you're the only survivor.

Information at a Price - Nothing bad here. They believe what you say about the Counts information.

A Plot Revealed - You couldn't have done anything bad here, with J'skar as a witness.

The Necromancer's Amulet - You kill an entire dungeon of Mage's, including one of the Archmage's most trusted, and you're the only survivor

The Bloodworm Helm - You get the helm back, but you're the only survivor

Ambush - Possible for you to be the only survivor, but this quest gets a freebie.

Confront the King - Archmage trusts you enough to kill himself.

So 4/10 quests everybody is dead except you, 2/10 quests they trust your information about the Count, 1/10 quests they know you now know how to create black soul gems.

This just all seems very suspicious. Traven admitted he was betrayed by someone he trusted on the council, but holds no suspicion over you despite the fact most of the time they send you places everyone dies.

The simple fact Traeven believes you over someone that he trusted that is now dead seems very odd too.

[gr1nie]

Strange. They saw something in you. Trusted you.

[Valden21]

The Mages Guild has reason to trust you. Every single one of the tasks needed to get reccommended showed them that they can do so, and most of the Necromancer sleeper agents are stupid enough to do something that leads to them being suspected. For example, take the leader of the guild's Cheydinhall branch. He could have easily sent you to some monster-infested cave with the task of clearing it out, but he doesn't. Instead, he sends you on the EXACT SAME TASK from which the previous applicant did not return, and that rouses the suspicions of one of the other members. As for the mission "Necromancer's Moon", that mission is straight up about gathering intelligence on the resources of the necromancers, nothing else.

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the log you took from the grove told them you are ok.

[zafire063]

Originally posted by Valden21:

The Mages Guild has reason to trust you. Every single one of the tasks needed to get reccommended showed them that they can do so, and most of the Necromancer sleeper agents are stupid enough to do something that leads to them being suspected. For example, take the leader of the guild's Cheydinhall branch. He could have easily sent you to some monster-infested cave with the task of clearing it out, but he doesn't. Instead, he sends you on the EXACT SAME TASK from which the previous applicant did not return, and that rouses the suspicions of one of the other members. As for the mission "Necromancer's Moon", that mission is straight up about gathering intelligence on the resources of the necromancers, nothing else.

Four of the quests you go to are supposed to have friendly mage's, but on three of them you come back and say they were all necromancers and all dead. Doesn't that seem like the exact same story, too?

As for Necromancer's Moon, you learn how to make Black Soul Gems and tell the guild you found out how they're doing it. Thus, they now know you know how to make Black Soul Gems. In fact, I created about 20 black soul gems during that quest. I also gathered about 20 black souls when leaving the dungeon after obtaining the Amulet.

I'm not under any suspicion, even though I've told the same story several times already and the Archmage feels it was one of his must trusted committee members?? lol

[󰀉tempeh󰀉]

And software security classes teach students about a wide variety of security weaknesses and the ways they're exploited, and connect them with the training materials and resources they'd need to become hackers, and just sort of trust that they'll have professional ethics and only use that knowledge for good. Network administration does the same thing too. *shrug* Then some politicians start asking why exactly it is they can't just ban the tools and training materials hackers use, unaware they're essential for network administration as long as you only ever use them on your own networks and nobody else's.

I mean, sure I've made hundreds upon hundreds of black soul gems, but I've only trapped necromancers' souls in them. I'm not everybody, though. But I trust Aurelinwae will only sell them to good mages. Right?

So Traven's plan all but guaranteed necromancy will continue even without Mannimarco, and the Mages Guild will be led by a guild-loyal necromancer. Fight necromancy with necromancy.
Seems to be par for the course for Mundus. Alessia and Morihaus freed the Cyrodiils from slavery, but damn, sure seems to be a lot of minotaurs attacking people on the roads. Oh well.
The Whitestrake will save us if he doesn't make the gods abandon creation in disgust first. By the way, somebody should politely tell him Khajiit aren't elves before he kills all of them. Talos is a god now and we have the Third Empire. Oh, what's that? It's just the Underking, don't worry about that. The Tribunal have brought us a golden age, just stay away from Kogoruhn and get inside when the blight storms arrive. What are these ash statues?

Sometimes the evil's inherent to the system, and it's all we can do to make stop-gap measures to limit the harm it does because it's solving some bigger problem.

[Valden21]

Originally posted by zafire063:

Originally posted by Valden21:

The Mages Guild has reason to trust you. Every single one of the tasks needed to get reccommended showed them that they can do so, and most of the Necromancer sleeper agents are stupid enough to do something that leads to them being suspected. For example, take the leader of the guild's Cheydinhall branch. He could have easily sent you to some monster-infested cave with the task of clearing it out, but he doesn't. Instead, he sends you on the EXACT SAME TASK from which the previous applicant did not return, and that rouses the suspicions of one of the other members. As for the mission "Necromancer's Moon", that mission is straight up about gathering intelligence on the resources of the necromancers, nothing else.

Four of the quests you go to are supposed to have friendly mage's, but on three of them you come back and say they were all necromancers and all dead. Doesn't that seem like the exact same story, too?

As for Necromancer's Moon, you learn how to make Black Soul Gems and tell the guild you found out how they're doing it. Thus, they now know you know how to make Black Soul Gems. In fact, I created about 20 black soul gems during that quest. I also gathered about 20 black souls when leaving the dungeon after obtaining the Amulet.

I'm not under any suspicion, even though I've told the same story several times already and the Archmage feels it was one of his must trusted committee members?? lol

That's the point. You're too new a member of the Guild to have caused damage like that. It's one of those situations where being a senior member of the Guild actually opens you up to suspicion, as many of those missions that met with a lot of Guild members getting killed could only have ended up that way if the Necromancers had top-secret information. That sort of information is not the sort of information a newcomer is likely to have been told beforehand, and that means the information came from somebody with greater seniority than you.