Are guards immune to Frenzy spell?

[Johnny Casey]

It doesn't seem to work against them. They don't look like resist the spell like cretures, which are actually immune.

[Ana]

are you useing the highist frenzy or no

[Ana]

im looking at some named gurads and there at level 15 maybe the unnamed are level 15 to

[Johnny Casey]

Originally posted by denver the goat:

are you useing the highist frenzy or no

Up to level 75 which is the highest.
And like I said, it looks like the spell doesn't actually being resisted from the guards. The effect is different from being resisted.

You see, when an illusion spell get resisted, it sort of like blocked, rather than absorbed which is when it works.

F**k, it's really hard to tell the 'effect' differences with English.

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Originally posted by Johnny Casey:

Originally posted by denver the goat:

are you useing the highist frenzy or no

Up to level 75 which is the highest.
And like I said, it looks like the spell doesn't actually being resisted from the guards. The effect is different from being resisted.

You see, when an illusion spell get resisted, it sort of like blocked, rather than absorbed which is when it works.

F**k, it's really hard to tell the 'effect' differences with English.

you get max possible spell effect only if you cast without armor.

[Johnny Casey]

Originally posted by ////:

you get max possible spell effect only if you cast without armor.

What the makes you think that I don't even know that yet? Of course I'm not wearing armor. Why would I??? I said spell effect hits as if it's working. That means the spell worked. So the spell effectiveness doesn't matter.

Please stick to the point. Is the guard immune to Frenzy or not, is that too hard to answer?

If you can't give me the answer of 'Yes they are immune because of this-', then just leave this thread alone and mind your own business. Why do you people always bother to answer at least something while you don't even know the answer??

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the answer is no. guards are not immune to frenzy. but they are difficult to frenzy and i don't remember how exactly i was doing that. sorry for bothering.

[Count Von Count]

Originally posted by Johnny Casey:

Originally posted by ////:

you get max possible spell effect only if you cast without armor.

What the makes you think that I don't even know that yet? Of course I'm not wearing armor. Why would I??? I said spell effect hits as if it's working. That means the spell worked. So the spell effectiveness doesn't matter.

Please stick to the point. Is the guard immune to Frenzy or not, is that too hard to answer?

If you can't give me the answer of 'Yes they are immune because of this-', then just leave this thread alone and mind your own business. Why do you people always bother to answer at least something while you don't even know the answer??

You realise that you are asking people to help you then throwing sand in their face when they try to clarify the point...?

Either way, why would guards even be immune to frenzy? It sounds like you need a higher level spell

[Johnny Casey]

Originally posted by Lt Veers:

You realise that you are asking people to help you then throwing sand in their face when they try to clarify the point...?

Either way, why would guards even be immune to frenzy? It sounds like you need a higher level spell

If you ask people how to make a sweet role and someone answers you with 'can you drive a truck?', would you consider this as a help? Because I don't.

Their level is 50, and my spell works against NPC up to 75 level with 100% spell effectiveness.

Like I said AGAIN, the spell actually WORKS against them.
But the guards do not attack anyone on sight. They did attack my summonings, though.

This 'guard frenzy immunity' I'm talking about is not a same immune effect as the creatures struck by frenzy. That is a different immune.

The effect has the difference, okay?

When the struck NPC resisted the spell, they sort of 'block' the spell.
When the spell actually works against NPC, they sort of 'absorb' the spell.
And when I cast this Frenzy spell on guards, they 'absorb' the spell.

It's really hard to describe especially with my poor English.

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Originally posted by Johnny Casey:

Originally posted by Lt Veers:

You realise that you are asking people to help you then throwing sand in their face when they try to clarify the point...?

Either way, why would guards even be immune to frenzy? It sounds like you need a higher level spell

If you ask people how to make a sweet role and someone answers you with 'can you drive a truck?', would you consider this as a help? Because I don't.

Their level is 50, and my spell works against NPC up to 75 level with 100% spell effectiveness.

Like I said AGAIN, the spell actually WORKS against them.
But the guards do not attack anyone on sight. They did attack my summonings, though.

This 'guard frenzy immunity' I'm talking about is not a same immune effect as the creatures struck by frenzy. That is a different immune.

The effect has the difference, okay?

When the struck NPC resisted the spell, they sort of 'block' the spell.
When the spell actually works against NPC, they sort of 'absorb' the spell.
And when I cast this Frenzy spell on guards, they 'absorb' the spell.

It's really hard to describe especially with my poor English.

axes about oblivion guards and then talks about his poor england. unbelievable...

okay, here is what i've found by simply entering "oblivion frenzy" in popular search engine...

since guards are constantly ten levels higher than the player, a high magnitude frenzy spell and 100% spell effectiveness are necessary to affect them.

[Bomb Bloke]

Note that a level 25 spell at 100% effectiveness will work against targets of any level.

I'm not sure if that also applies to spells that are levelled higher than 25. Those don't exist in the base game.

As for whether the spell should work on guards, apparently it should, but only if certain other targets are nearby:

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion_talk:Frenzy

[Johnny Casey]

Is there anyone who actually tried to cast Frenzy spell on guards, so that I can talk to a person who actually understand what's going on?

[Bomb Bloke]

Yes, plenty. Again, see the discussion I just linked you to.

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Originally posted by Johnny Casey:

Is there anyone who actually tried to cast Frenzy spell on guards, so that I can talk to a person who actually understand what's going on?

as far as i remember, visual effect is different for when spell power is insufficient. it looks like nothing happens at all. so yeah, i know what you are talking about.