Dark UI Wrye Bash Bain issues (help please)

[Tetsu]

I use Wrye bash to mod oblivion and so far so good, I started with basic Darnified UI via the UI Wizard installer for Wrye Bash and for the most part it worked just fine, all I had to do for regular Darn UI was drag drop and click wizard & pick what I want. some sections in the inventory tab were bigger than others but that didn't make it the end of the world for me, however I saw that there was a dark version of Darnified UI too same way of installing with the wizard in Wrye Bash but when it comes to the dark version it totally makes the game borderline unplayable with the mouse being pushed out and only being able to select and scroll menu sections with the arrow keys, the map is just fine but a lot of the text overlap each other or get too large or get pitch black. When I use regular DarnUI I select what I want via wizard and let it load in and BAM game is just fine and the menus are better as they should be. But everytime I try reinstalling DarkUI and trying out settings that may have messed with it from the installer section it asks me if I want to allow it to edit ini files (which I have no great knowledge of knowing how to properly use that) I click ok assuming nothing bad would happen and as the Dark UI is implemented into Oblivion all the issues I stated are there. They leave once I uninstall it but I just don't know how to tackle the issue head on in fear of destroying the game's files.

Here is a link to some images sorry for the low quality I couldn't get my computer to screencap oblivion properly & had to use my phone https://imgur.com/a/vfkjSHA

And the link to where I got both UIs from https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/48596?tab=files

As stated I can get vanilla Darn UI to work but not Dark even with default fonts

[Leeux]

That might mean that Wrye Bash was unable to properly apply the INI Tweaks to setup the fonts correctly.

You can open your Oblivion.ini (the one in your Documents\My Games\Oblivion) and check if the correct fonts are configured there:

For me, for the selections I've chosen myself, these are the fonts I have on my INI:

[Fonts]
SFontFile_1=Data\Fonts\DarN_Ringbearer_22.fnt
SFontFile_2=Data\Fonts\DarN_LG_Kingthings_Petrock_14.fnt
SFontFile_3=Data\Fonts\DarN_LG_Kingthings_Petrock_18.fnt
SFontFile_4=Data\Fonts\DarN_Oblivion_28.fnt
SFontFile_5=Data\Fonts\Handwritten.fnt

But if you've chosen different ones, just check to be sure taht the default ones aren't there still.

If on Windows 10, it could be the damned documents protection feature interfering with the INI edits... not sure, as I don't have W10 myself.

[Tetsu]

well I think this is the oblivion.ini sure seems like it though its called oblivion_default

this is what I found inside the folder https://imgur.com/a/M2OJicN
they dont seem to be default but I'm also not sure if I ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it up and added multiple fonts somehow. I uninstalled the contents each time when I would test it out. Anything you can get from this? cause I'm totally lost anything I should do like just choose default texts when installing dark ui and then manually check and make sure the fonts are default too?

[Leeux]

The INI you need to check is located in your user folder, not in the game's installation.

That Oblivion_default.ini is just a "default" state that the launcher uses to generate default values if the user's INI is not present... it's better not to touch it.

Check your User's profile, i.e. C:\Users\<your user>\My Documents\My Games\Oblivion

There should be an Oblivion.INI there.

[Tetsu]

alright I did what you said and found this i'm going to assume windows 10 doesnt bother showing .ini for whatever reason unless I look it up directly. going to guess its right too since i looked up the Kingsthings font and it looks like the default oblivion font https://imgur.com/a/6Ux0Amm
please tell me this is it & what I can do to fix it/what I should and shouldn't touch
regarding the wizard bain installer thing and the ini file itself

[Leeux]

Yeah that's the one... and yeah it still have the default Fonts there.

You can try with Wrye Bash again, if you open it and go to the INI Edits tab, then make sure you have the Oblivion.ini selected on the pane of the right, and then look for DarkUId DarN ini tweaks on the pane om the left and try to Apply the ones you have installed... names would depend on the options you've chosen to install of course.

EDIT: Here's what I mean for this part -> https://i.imgur.com/iOizS1d.png

Failing that, you can try to change the fonts in the INI manually yourself... first look into your Oblivion installation, inside the Oblivion\Data\Fonts folder and see if the fonts are present there, and from the ones you see in there, put the names into the different INI values, like I pasted in my other post... problem is, only you know which fonts are present on your installation, you you'll need to see that part for yourself.

EDIT2: Keep in mind that Windows 10 has something that makes files in your profile folders read-only, and you'll have to disable that before you can actually make changes to the INI or before that Windows 10 will actually permit applications to make changes to files in those folders... as I've said, I don't use W10 myself, so I'm not sure how that's work or how to disable it.

[Tetsu]

ok so far I am about to edit the ini files. Just one question as to what these are:
https://imgur.com/a/T7ga2AG
Just need some final confirmation on what to do sorry for asking so much I just want to make sure I don't ruin it this is my first time doing fragile stuff like this apologies for being a nuisance

[Leeux]

Yeah exactly! Those two tweaks will work, you can apply both of them, each change different entries and can coexist.

The different icon on the right is due to the fact that one of the tweaks sees that some of the lines already match the existing ones in the INI (the yellow one with a dot indicates that.)

You can select apply for both of them and that would probably solve your issue with the fonts, assuming that Wrye Bash can actually make the change in the INI for reals.

You should also check if the font file is actually present in your Oblivion\Data\Fonts folder too, before blindly applying the tweak, though. A missing font file can make Oblivion crash on load.

If you want to cover your bases, first, make a backup of your Oblivion.ini, before you apply any changes... and in case something fails, just restore that one and try again.

[Tetsu]

ok bit of a setback, IT WORKS for the most part. although there are a few hitches. https://imgur.com/a/KSaorLK
some text is black and for quests that can be bad. all the other menus work right but it also is blacked out in the skills tab but other than that it all seems to be working with no insane glitches and no crashing on loading theres some of the stuff I found in the files you mentioned are there some things I should do to them?

[Leeux]

I think text color is controlled by the actual menu files, i.e. the XML files themselves. Not sure how you'd go about changing that, to be honest.

Maybe there are some other option in the installation that lets you control that?

I personally never installed that particular mod you're using, so not sure if there may be another tweak or a different option that would let you chose a more appropriate color for the dark background :(

This is the mod I've always used for installing Darnified Dark UI -> https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/11280

((but that one is not BAIN compatible, so I had to personally BAINify it myself :P))

[Tetsu]

ah damn well I definitely woundn't know how to install that myself without the help of a program doing it for me, but thanks for taking time to try and help me out, ill see if theres anything i could do on my end, maybe just use vanilla darn if I really have to, but thanks a ton for getting me this far I appreciate it

[Leeux]

Did you install the option named "050 prefabs" from the BAIN package?

I feel that is the one that contains the files that control the settings, colors, etc. I'd assume you have it installed, but just to be sure :/

EDIT: In any case, glad to be of help and I hope you can solve this last issue! Pretty sure that someone else more knowledgeable in the XML workings of the menus might chime to help too... I never dabbled into the UI modding myself! :)

[Tetsu]

yeah I do have it selected. really not sure what could be causing the black text...
oh and also while selecting a save game the text with the time date and character name appear to be a very bright goldish color and is also a little hard to read. but yeah 050 prefabs is listed checked

[Leeux]

I have been looking at my XML files and there are certainly places where there are colors defined... but there are tons of them, and several of them have color values defined as constants.

In all honesty, not sure why or how the mod you're using wouldn't already have the correct text color applied by default... it seems to be an actual chore to edit it all by hand :/

[Tetsu]

yeah but its fine i guess, I at least got it to work so that counts for something. its annoying yeah but can't say game breaking, just wish I knew what the hell to do. but thanks for helping me out this far and getting it to run not sure if ill just use regular darn or play like this with black text but thank you

[Tetsu]

nevermind all that I worked it out & resolved getting it removed, but thank you so much for helping me even if it didnt quite work out in the end you helped me learn much more than half of those jerks on youtube, you taught me more on how to work this game & its files, thanks so much for your time & effort :)