Why Dunmers hate Argonians?

[Koss_Tea]

Noticed every dunmer will have <30 disposition towards you if you are an argonian and I know why, dunmers hate argonians. But why? All I know is argonians were their slaves. This can't be the only reason, or dunmer would be a-holes as a race, there must be more justified reason due to Oblivion times. So was there anything else?

[AC Denton]

It's just racism. Half the races hate each other. Dunmers are elves, so they're nurturally against pretty much every non elven race. Further, Argonians are a beast race and are generally considered nothing more than animals be other races.

An example would be the Orcs too. Prior to the ending of Daggerfall, Orcs were considered nothing more than beats to be hunted.

There's a long list of reasons as to why everyone hates everyone in TES.

[Koss_Tea]

Originally posted by ac_denton:

It's just racism. Half the races hate each other. Dunmers are elves, so they're nurturally against pretty much every non elven race. Further, Argonians are a beast race and are generally considered nothing more than animals be other races.

An example would be the Orcs too. Prior to the ending of Daggerfall, Orcs were considered nothing more than beats to be hunted.

There's a long list of reasons as to why everyone hates everyone in TES.

Usually racism has it's reasons. Orcs have reputation of bloodthirsty savages, imperials considered as ruthless conquerors, meanwhile Imperials themselves belive they brought culture and order to barbarian lands, etc.

The thing is dunmers are the only who nearly spits under your feet if you are argonian. I'm certain there has to be the reason. Hating argonians because every dark elf consider themselves just a slaves give the whole dunmer race really bad image and I don't want to be prejudiced or short-sighted to them. So I think there is a better reason

[AC Denton]

Originally posted by UwU Boll:

Originally posted by ac_denton:

Usually racism has it's reasons.

I agree. I never said it didn't. I just gave you reasons.

So I think there is a better reason

No, there isn't. It's racism, regardless of the foundations of where it comes from. You're looking for something that isn't there.

[Koss_Tea]

Originally posted by ac_denton:

Originally posted by UwU Boll:

Usually racism has it's reasons.

I agree. I never said it didn't. I just gave you reasons.

So I think there is a better reason

No, there isn't. It's racism, regardless of the foundations of where it comes from. You're looking for something that isn't there.

So you’re saying dunmers meant to be jerks that doesn’t count beastkin as people and approve slavery?

[Bomb Bloke]

That does sum them up pretty well, I think, yes.

[Johnny Casey]

Playing Morrowind would really give you the idea of how the Dunmers basically hate everyone except for themselves.

[Koss_Tea]

Originally posted by Bomb Bloke:

That does sum them up pretty well, I think, yes.

that or another Bethesda stupidity. Like "Duh, argonians were slaves of dunmers, so that's why <30 disposition in the beginning".

No offends intended. I think we all know there is a lot of stupidity in Bethesda games. Still there is reasons to love TES

[Johnny Casey]

Not only that, Dunmers used to get the negative disposition modifiers when they talk to anyone else but themselves or Orcs. This sums up that while Dunmers hate every other races, The other races also hate Dunmers as well.

It's basically;

"I hate you all"
- Dunmers

"We hate you too"
- Everyone else

[Commisar Jon Fuklaw]

Originally posted by Johnny Casey:

Playing Morrowind would really give you the idea of how the Dunmers basically hate everyone except for themselves.

Because the Neravine slaughtered several thousand Dark Brotherhood (they're all Dunmer) members to finance his war against the gods (and get rich in the process)?

[fracs]

The Dunmer, also known as Dark Elves, are the ash-skinned, typically red-eyed elven peoples of Morrowind. "Dark" is commonly understood as meaning such characteristics as "dark-skinned", "gloomy", "ill-favored by fate" and so on. The Dunmer and their national identity, however, embrace these various connotations with enthusiasm. In the Empire, "Dark Elf" is the common usage, but among their Aldmeri brethren they are called "Dunmer". Their combination of powerful intellects with strong and agile physiques produce superior warriors and sorcerers. On the battlefield, Dunmer are noted for their skill with a balanced integration of the sword, the bow and destruction magic. Dunmer live two to three times as long as humans; with a 200-year-old Dunmer being old and a 300-year-old Dunmer being very, very old. In character, they are grim, aloof, and reserved, as well as distrusting and disdainful of other races.
Dunmer distrust and are treated distrustfully by other races. They are often proud, clannish, ruthless, and cruel, from an outsider's point of view, but greatly value loyalty and family. Young female Dunmer have a reputation for promiscuity in some circles. Despite their powerful skills and strengths, the Dunmer's vengeful nature, age-old conflicts, betrayals, and ill-reputation prevent them from gaining more influence. Those born in their homeland of Morrowind are known to be considerably less friendly than those who grew up in the Imperial tradition.

[Hudson]

They got cursed by Azura and went from yellow to grey now they are butthurt about everything because they have an insufferable ego and tried to compensate by enslaving beast races.

Though you will also have to consider that sometimes slaves in Morrowind were people paying off their debts, working for their committed crimes or something else entirely.

You have to understand that racism is very present in The Elder Scrolls - it's like when you invite a tribe member who lived in a hut near the swamps to your more cultured and progressed country only to have him try practicing his old ways, that puts a lot of people off especially when you are a Dunmer that already has to hold him together over receiving outlanders in his country.

But in hindsight there have been more free Khajiits/Argonians than enslaved ones.
Funny enough the Dunmer were the outlanders in Skyrim and got discriminated during their refuge in Windhelm.

[Spartan Delta 27]

Stereotypes which might explain negative disposition.

Altmer: Seen as Snobs, Considering Themselves Wiser than Others
Argonian: Difficult to Read Their Emotions and Seen as Beasts. Highly Isolated
Bosmer: They Eat People. Also Super Tree Huggers, Terrifying Forest People
Breton: Half Elf and Half Human. Halfbreeds are Usually Stigmatized in Cultures
Dunmer: Daedra Worshipers (Azura, Boethiah, Mephala) and Distant from the Empire
Imperial: Seen as Snobs, Believing Themselves more Civilized than Others
Khajiit: Culture Based Around Narcotics (Moon Sugar and Skooma)
Nord: Seen as Drunken Brutes with No Intelligence
Orismer: Seen as Brutes with No Intelligence, Daedra Worship (Malacath) and Uncivilized
Redguard: Culture is Alien, Based Upon Entirely Separate Foundations

[Sikobae]

Originally posted by UwU Boll:

So you’re saying dunmers meant to be jerks that doesn’t count beastkin as people and approve slavery?

Yes. Play Morrowind.

[John Shepard]

Hahaha, The Argonians took advantage of the Red Mountain Disaster and Oblivion Crisis from The Elder Scrolls IV and invaded Morrowind, killing tens of thousands of innocent Dunmer (in combination with the Disaster), known as the Accession War (The Thalmor were egging the Argonians to invade regardless, which cost them all their influence in Black Marsh). The Imperials combined with the Dunmer were sent reeling like hell (Due to the Disaster and the Crisis, combined with a massive assault), but they managed to put a final stop to it when all the Houses rallied under House Redoran, as per what Adril Arano from Raven Rock said in Skyrim's Dragonborn DLC.

But in due part, it was the Argonian revenge against the Dunmer for constantly raiding Argonian lands to take prisoners to sell as slaves.

The Dunmer hold a slight (cough cough) grudge against the Argonians ever since that happened.

[Koss_Tea]

Originally posted by John Shepard:

Hahaha, The Argonians took advantage of the Red Mountain Disaster and Oblivion Crisis from The Elder Scrolls IV and invaded Morrowind, killing tens of thousands of innocent Dunmer (in combination with the Disaster), known as the Accession War (The Thalmor were egging the Argonians to invade regardless, which cost them all their influence in Black Marsh). The Imperials combined with the Dunmer were sent reeling like hell (Due to the Disaster and the Crisis, combined with a massive assault), but they managed to put a final stop to it when all the Houses rallied under House Redoran, as per what Adril Arano from Raven Rock said in Skyrim's Dragonborn DLC.

But in due part, it was the Argonian revenge against the Dunmer for constantly raiding Argonian lands to take prisoners to sell as slaves.

The Dunmer hold a slight (cough cough) grudge against the Argonians ever since that happened.

It was after times, showned in TES4, we're not talking about Skyrim times