FPS Issues

[Shrill]

If someone has five minutes can they take a quick peak at my Mod List?

I made this configuration nearly three years ago on my old laptop and have only recently gotten it to work with my new laptop (long story). However I seem to be suffering from huge fps drops; 15fps in Cities, 20-30fps Outside, 50-60fps in Interiors. I run an i7 with 970m (3gb) which handles a very heavy modded Fallout 4 with a solid 45-60fps.

I understand Oblivion's engine is old and may not be able to withstand all my mods so I just need a pointer in which are the more resource hungry ones. I've already uninstalled Better Cities, All Natural, Unique Landscapes and a few other larger ones so I'm narrowing it down slowly.

Uninstalling the game and reinstalling all mods individually is not an option I wish to take, I'd rather edit my current mod config and start a new save game.

Thanks in advance.

Active Mod Files
•  00 Oblivion.esm
•  01 Harvest[Containers].esm
•  02 Harvest[Containers] - Flat-Top Barrels Add-on.esm
•  03 Harvest[Containers] - Havok Crates Add-on.esm
•  04 Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esm
•  05 Fundament.esm
•  06 CM Partners.esm
•  07 CMVailena.esm
•  08 Toaster Says Share v3.esm
•  09 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
•  0A Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
•  0B DLCShiveringIsles.esp
•  0C Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
•  ++ LoadingScreens.esp
•  0D Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
•  ++ Symphony of Violence.esp
•  0E ElzMoreVoice.esp
•  0F ElzMoreVoice - Original Voice Replacer.esp
•  10 ElzMoreVoice-For Companion.esp
•  11 Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp
•  12 Storms & Sound.esp
•  13 AliveWaters.esp
•  14 AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
•  15 AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
•  16 Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
•  17 ChaseCameraMod.esp
•  18 Ducks and Swans.esp
•  19 Elz - Improved UE.esp
•  1A Elz - No Floating Weapon.esp
•  1B GBRsAntiCTD.esp
•  1C ImprovedSigns.esp
•  ++ nu_female_player_idle.esp
•  1D Personality Idles - Modified version.esp
•  ++ P1DlookAtShrines.esp
•  1E Ravens and Seagulls.esp
•  1F Tamriel VWD v0.5.esp
•  20 Torch Arrows.esp
•  21 Living Economy.esp
•  22 Living Economy - Items.esp
•  23 Cutthroat Merchants.esp
•  24 BookTrackerOBSE.esp
•  25 DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp
•  26 Display Stats.esp
•  27 Get Wet.esp
•  28 MigMiscellanea.esp
•  29 MiscTracker.esp
•  2A NoHelmet.esp
•  2B P1DlookHereYou.esp
•  2C Quest Log Manager.esp
•  2D Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp
•  2E Dynamic Map.esp
•  2F Map Marker Overhaul.esp
•  30 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp
•  31 Enhanced Hotkeys.esp
•  32 DLCHorseArmor.esp
•  33 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
•  34 DLCOrrery.esp
•  35 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
•  36 DLCVileLair.esp
•  37 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
•  38 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
•  39 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
•  3A DLCSpellTomes.esp
•  ++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp
•  3B 1SB_RavenousEleganceOutfit.esp
•  3C CB Dark Enchantress.esp
•  3D CB Elegant Dress.esp
•  3E Chapel Shop.esp
•  ++ FemaleArmorPack1.esp
•  3F Immersive Weapons.esp
•  40 KDCirclets.esp
•  41 Sinbloods_Nightweave_HGEC.esp
•  42 CB Stylish Outfit.esp
•  • • YAARM_Steel.esp
•  43 kuerteeHorseCommands.esp
•  44 Zira's Horse Modpack - My Horses.esp
•  45 Zira's Horse Modpack - Friesian Horses.esp
•  46 Zira's Horse Modpack - Shadowmere.esp
•  47 Zira's Horse Modpack - Extra Horses.esp
•  48 Zira's Horse Modpack - More Horses.esp
•  49 Zira's Horse Modpack - Armored Legion Horses.esp
•  4A DLCThievesDen.esp
•  4B DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
•  4C DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
•  4D Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
•  4E Alluring Wine Bottles.esp
•  • • OMOBS_SI.esp
•  4F OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp
•  ++ Harvest[Containers] - Vanilla - Ore Respawn.esp
•  ++ Harvest[Containers] - SI - Ore Respawn.esp
•  ++ Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esp
•  ++ Harvest[Containers] - Flat-Top Barrels Add-on.esp
•  ++ Harvest[Containers] - Havok Crates Add-on.esp
•  50 Creature Diversity.esp
•  51 Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp
•  52 Better Benirus Manor.esp
•  53 LetThePeopleDrink.esp
•  54 Wayshrines Enhanced.esp
•  55 24HrArenaAliveV2.esp
•  56 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
•  57 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp
•  58 DLCFrostcrag.esp
•  59 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
•  5A Knights.esp
•  5B Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
•  5C Harvest [Flora].esp
•  ++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
•  ++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp
•  5D Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp
•  5E Better Dungeons.esp
•  5F HUD Status Bars.esp
•  60 HorseJumpFixer.esp
•  ++ Improved Fires and Flames - Increased Sound.esp
•  61 Leviathan Soulgems.esp
•  62 MagicArrows.esp
•  63 SkycaptainsBloodTime.esp
•  64 tag_NaturalWildlife.esp
•  65 Teleport Everywhere.esp
•  66 ATakesAll.esp
•  67 Wayshrines Improved.esp
•  68 Quest Award Leveller.esp
•  69 Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp
•  ++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp
•  6A Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp
•  6B Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
•  6C Elz - Difficulty Smoother.esp
•  6D Elz - Realistic Gravity.esp
•  6E Active_Inventory_Spell_1.2.esp
•  6F hilarity_121.esp
•  70 sjdDetectArrow.esp
•  71 SupremeMagicka.esp
•  72 SM_ShiveringIsles.esp
•  ++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp
•  73 SM_EnchantStaff.esp
•  ++ SM_Scrolls.esp
•  ++ SM_SigilStone.esp
•  74 MidasSpells.esp
•  75 RenGuardOverhaul.esp
•  76 Sleep Outside.esp
•  77 DenockArrowToo.esp
•  78 CombatFPSOptimizer.esp
•  ++ arrwspanddmgfix.esp
•  79 Bundlement.esp
•  7A fwCharacterLeveling.esp
•  7B fwHigherMaxAttributes.esp
•  ++ fwNoTut.esp
•  ++ Faster Level Up x2.esp
•  ++ Fast Magic.esp
•  7C Fair x2 Spawns v1.0.esp
•  7D CoO1.esp
•  7E CM Partners.esp
•  7F LunasGothicMaidenRace.esp
•  80 SuccubusRace.esp
•  81 CMSuccubusSS&L.esp
•  82 CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
•  83 CM Partners NPC.esp
•  84 CM Partners NPC NE.esp
•  85 CM Partners More NPCs.esp
•  86 CM Partners More NPCs NE.esp
•  87 CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
•  88 CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
•  89 CmVailenathevampire.esp
•  8A Terimer.esp
•  8B CompanionshipRing.esp
•  8C 1em_Vilja.esp
•  ++ 1em_Vilja_RenHair18.esp
•  8D bgBalancingEVCore.esp
•  8E Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp
•  8F bgBalancingOptionalLessHealth.esp
•  ++ bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp
•  ++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp
•  ++ bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp
•  90 Remote Chest.esp
•  91 Think to Yourself.esp
•  92 Automatic Timescale.esp
•  93 MiniMap.esp
•  94 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
•  95 Maskar's Oblivion Overhaul.esp

[GRIMM11]

you really should move the DLC and expansions higher on your load list. I dont know much about these mods but I believe Oblivion being a 32bit application it has some memory limitations.

[Shrill]

I use BOSS to sort the load order once mods are installed with WryeBash or OBMM. I also use a combination of the 4gb patch, oblivion stutter remover, more heap, & oblivion reloaded and although they make no difference to FPS I seem to have little to no crashes anymore. I just can't work out how I used to run all these mods including an ENB and have no issues yet now I can't even run half of them.

[Boromir, Son of Faramir]

This won't help you much for your FPS problems, but I noticed you're using the outdated Living Economy mod. I suggest you get Enhanced Economy instead as it is more up-to-date, as well as a patch for it which can be found on the first page of the Posts section on Nexus. Additionally, I see that you are using both: 4B DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp AND 4C DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp . You are supposed to only use one, so disabling one of them might help. Furthermore, you use Reneer's Guard Overhaul, so if you haven't already, you should probably get the updated version of that mod by downloading SDR (sneaking detection recalibrated) which can be found on Nexus. Just keep in mind that if you're not interested in the changes brought by SDR, you can choose to install just the patch for RGO by selecting only that sub-package if you're installing via Wrye Bash. Finally, use BOSS, it helps a ton with load order and it tells you if you have incompatibilities and such.

[Boromir, Son of Faramir]

One more thing: some comments on Nexus about MiniMap say that it reduces their FPS a fair bit, so try running the game with it and without it to compare and see if it does in fact reduce your FPS. Good luck finding the culprit!

[Shrill]

Boromir, Son of Faramir původně napsal:

This won't help you much for your FPS problems, but I noticed you're using the outdated Living Economy mod. I suggest you get Enhanced Economy instead as it is more up-to-date, as well as a patch for it which can be found on the first page of the Posts section on Nexus. Additionally, I see that you are using both: 4B DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp AND 4C DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp . You are supposed to only use one, so disabling one of them might help. Furthermore, you use Reneer's Guard Overhaul, so if you haven't already, you should probably get the updated version of that mod by downloading SDR (sneaking detection recalibrated) which can be found on Nexus. Just keep in mind that if you're not interested in the changes brought by SDR, you can choose to install just the patch for RGO by selecting only that sub-package if you're installing via Wrye Bash. Finally, use BOSS, it helps a ton with load order and it tells you if you have incompatibilities and such.

Doing as you suggested here has actually made a difference alone! I'm getting 25-40fps both in cities and outside which seems to be a huge improvement considering the small changes. Thank you! I shall do some further testing tomorrow, but things are looking good. It must be all the old scripts running around hogging the memory, perhaps I do need to check everything over and see if there's anything more that needs updating? ~ Or bite the bullet and start from scratch.

[Boromir, Son of Faramir]

Waiiiiit... you say you're using Oblivion Reloaded and yet I see no OblivionReloaded.esp in your load order. Are you sure you have the most up-to-date version / have installed it correctly?Anyways, if you get that figured out, there's a lot of changes to be made in the OblivionReloaded.ini file in your Oblivion Data folder if you haven't done them already (sorry if you've already went through this), mainly disabling the following by putting replacing the 1s with 0s: CameraMode, EquipmentMode, SleepingMode, EnableGodRays, EnableBloodLens, EnableMotionBlur, etc... You may want to fiddle around with the options a lot if you want to get the desired results, as these are just my suggestions, aside from disabling EquipmentMode, which is a an absolute neccessity.

[Boromir, Son of Faramir]

Unfortunately I don't know much else about your mod loadout... Seems like the only way to improve FPS now is to better modify your .ini files, like for Oblivion Stutter Remover or Oblivion Reloaded, and to try disabling one or two mods at a time to find the culprits. I could help a tiny bit for the .ini files, but the trial and error run is all on you. If you want to start from scratch though, you could first try to disable all of your mods first and see if the game runs well or bad. If it still runs bad, maybe it's some OBSE plugin, or maybe your game is screwed and you might have to start over. Of course, there might be some other unknown factor(s) lurking too, like maybe there's some additional files in the Oblivion folder that weren't removed correctly, maybe your laptop just has really crappy fans or you just don't let them breathe, etc... But if it runs well, then you're in the clear. Except for the trial and error part, you'd still have to do that, kek. Well, good luck once again!

[Shrill]

Boromir, Son of Faramir původně napsal:

Waiiiiit... you say you're using Oblivion Reloaded and yet I see no OblivionReloaded.esp in your load order. Are you sure you have the most up-to-date version / have installed it correctly?Anyways, if you get that figured out, there's a lot of changes to be made in the OblivionReloaded.ini file in your Oblivion Data folder if you haven't done them already (sorry if you've already went through this), mainly disabling the following by putting replacing the 1s with 0s: CameraMode, EquipmentMode, SleepingMode, EnableGodRays, EnableBloodLens, EnableMotionBlur, etc... You may want to fiddle around with the options a lot if you want to get the desired results, as these are just my suggestions, aside from disabling EquipmentMode, which is a an absolute neccessity.

At the time I posted the load order I had actually disabled Oblivion Reloaded as I was doing crash test runs, however once I realized it wasn't that causing them I've re-installed it again. The funny thing is, I was actually using an ancient version! Since installing the newer version I am aware of the revised .ini and have disabled some of the options, I might have to do some further tweaking though!

Boromir, Son of Faramir původně napsal:

Unfortunately I don't know much else about your mod loadout... Seems like the only way to improve FPS now is to better modify your .ini files, like for Oblivion Stutter Remover or Oblivion Reloaded, and to try disabling one or two mods at a time to find the culprits. I could help a tiny bit for the .ini files, but the trial and error run is all on you. If you want to start from scratch though, you could first try to disable all of your mods first and see if the game runs well or bad. If it still runs bad, maybe it's some OBSE plugin, or maybe your game is screwed and you might have to start over. Of course, there might be some other unknown factor(s) lurking too, like maybe there's some additional files in the Oblivion folder that weren't removed correctly, maybe your laptop just has really crappy fans or you just don't let them breathe, etc... But if it runs well, then you're in the clear. Except for the trial and error part, you'd still have to do that, kek. Well, good luck once again!

I highly doubt it's my laptop as I said in the first post I can run a heavily modded Fallout 4 configuration with ENB, HD textures at 40-60fps with 99% GPU usage and have no issues. What confuses me about Oblivion is it doesn't even reach 35% GPU or CPU usage. It's like the GPU is idling when it's playing because it's not even reaching full clock speed. I have a good cooling system in place, and in other games I actually underclock my CPU and overclock my GPU and things usually run sweet! (Unlocked BIOS, MSI Afterburner etc) I drop my CPU to 2.6ghz, undervolt it and give my GPU more power to play with. Trouble is, even reverting these changes to give my CPU more power and a 3.5ghz clock for Oblivion it made no difference! (Also I checked the obvious and Oblivion is using my nVidia card and not the intergrated, all my drivers up to date too.)

I think it's one of the other things you have mentioned, either an ini file somewhere that possibly needs tweaking, or there's some files left over from old mod installs. Looks like I need to put more time into this than I thought I'd have too. I'll do what you recommend and start uninstalling certain mods a few at a time. Failing that, I'll run one of my backups of Oblivion and test things there. After all, it has been 3 years since I've touched this configuration so there's bound to be some dust that might need shifting!

Really appreciate the help so far, you've given me a good idea of where to look now. Just a proccess of elimation I guess. I really don't want to lose this save game, so a re-install is my last option! Thanks again for the help. :)

[Boromir, Son of Faramir]

Glad I could be of help! Speaking of which, I found something that may or may not aid performance: when building a Bashed Patch, click on ''Tweak Actors'' (right below ''Import Stats'') and enable Quiet Feet. If you don't have this option then maybe Wrye Bash is outdated. Anyways, this tweak helped a fair bit of people with FPS drops related to creatures and might help you too, especially since you're running Creature Diversity alongside Fair x2 Spawns, but it probably won't help you for much else, unfortunately. If it doesn't help, feel free to disable it. To be honest, I've tried it and it really didn't change anything for me, but you might as well try it. Oh, and another thing: you might want to check if bReplaceHeap = 1 in your Oblivion Stutter Remover.ini, as it is supposed to increase performance at a small cost of game instability (crashes). Works fine for me. I'll be sure to let you know if I find anything else.

[Shrill]

Boromir, Son of Faramir původně napsal:

Glad I could be of help! Speaking of which, I found something that may or may not aid performance: when building a Bashed Patch, click on ''Tweak Actors'' (right below ''Import Stats'') and enable Quiet Feet. If you don't have this option then maybe Wrye Bash is outdated. Anyways, this tweak helped a fair bit of people with FPS drops related to creatures and might help you too, especially since you're running Creature Diversity alongside Fair x2 Spawns, but it probably won't help you for much else, unfortunately. If it doesn't help, feel free to disable it. To be honest, I've tried it and it really didn't change anything for me, but you might as well try it. Oh, and another thing: you might want to check if bReplaceHeap = 1 in your Oblivion Stutter Remover.ini, as it is supposed to increase performance at a small cost of game instability (crashes). Works fine for me. I'll be sure to let you know if I find anything else.

Well, that's me done. I bit the bullet and did a fresh install, then installed all my smaller mods with OBMM, testing things on a new save game and finished installing the larger mods through WryeBash. After every few mods I gave the game a quick run to see how things where and each time it was stable. After checking for updates and carefully re-installing most of the mods from before I think I've finally found a satisfing config. Loaded up my old save game and shazam, I've actually hit 60fps outdoors! I did your tweak for bReplaceHeap = 1 and that could be helping too. Lesson learnt, install things that I want at the time and not just go onto Nexus like "download download download" haha. Thanks again, if I could +rep you I would sir!

[Boromir, Son of Faramir]

As Lord Sheo would say: ''Wonderful! Time for a celebration!''. Though, if I may add some more things... If you're planning on re-enabling Unique Landscapes alongside Better Cities, consider installing the Unique Landscapes Compatibility Patches if you haven't to fix some conflicts between the two. The patch should be installed with Wrye Bash by using the ''Wizard'' option available once you right-click on the file, and not the ''Install'' option. Furthermore, if you're feeling ready to try out more graphics mod, I strongly recommend using the Nexus guide named Bevilex' modlist for Oblivion - Graphics, as it has some really good advice for configurations and installations. I myself used it for configuring Oblivion Reloaded and ENBs, which has worked out well for me. But, I'm getting ahead of myself... I'm one step away from just recommending my ENB, kek. Well, hope you have fun with Oblivion!