oops, I just beat the game in 8 hrs.

[_Zucc1]

I started playing, thinking "this game can last me all summer." but then suddenly, I was at the climax, and then it was over, onto skyrim i guess

[chaosbringer42]

Originally posted by Fanushka:

Originally posted by Sir Det Mist:

try morrowind the main quest is a good 40 hours long even when you go flat out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gON5k2kw3as
I would argue that this guy went "flat out"

A "speedrun" that uses an early version of the game so he can use a bug that got patched out (autoswap for constant effect speed causing noclip) isnt really a speedrun of a game its literally a cheatrun.

[cyäegha]

morrowind's any% category permits the abuse of that bug you so take grievance with, and thus requires the use of that particular version of the game for a runner to be competitive within that category

by definition, whether you like it or not, it is a valid speedrun

[chaosbringer42]

Originally posted by cyäegha:

morrowind's any% category permits the abuse of that bug you so take grievance with, and thus requires the use of that particular version of the game for a runner to be competitive within that category

by definition, whether you like it or not, it is a valid speedrun

Thats an embarrassment to a speedrun, but if the category allows it....whatever I guess.

[Dingbat]

Originally posted by cyäegha:

by definition, whether you like it or not, it is a valid speedrun

Well, yeah. That's the whole thing. Whether you like it or not... I've watched speedruns of Final Fantasy 7 that make shameless use of a Yuffie bug and I enjoyed watching it. I personally don't play that way. I like to get everything out of a game that I can. I think speedruns harken back to the day when at the end of a game all you really had was your hi score.

[Dayve]

Using glitches to skip 99.9% of the main quest and skip right to the final boss is not a valid speedrun.

[cyäegha]

Originally posted by Dayve:

Using glitches to skip 99.9% of the main quest and skip right to the final boss is not a valid speedrun.

by what definition is it not 'valid'?
how do you determine 'valid'?

when people submit speedruns to the SDA, they are playing by a commonly accepted set of constraints that the speedrunning community says is 'valid' for the category

for a typical any% category, the use of such glitches is seen as 'valid', if not outright necessary

for a glitchless category, perhaps what you say has some merit, but if the category doesn't disallow it, your own personal feelings on the matter do not change whether the SDA considers the run 'valid' or not

[Insomniac Jack]

That's comparable to Gandalf summoning one of those giant eagles to swoop Frodo, right after he discovers the ring, and having it literally drop him off into the molten pitts of Mordor....You're doing it wrong.

[cyäegha]

Originally posted by Insomniac Jack:

That's comparable to Gandalf summoning one of those giant eagles to swoop Frodo, right after he discovers the ring, and having it literally drop him off into the molten pitts of Mordor....You're doing it wrong.

whether or not you personally agree with whether it's ethically consistent with the rules set by the game, what the category finds permissable is absolute for the purposes of an SDA-approved any% speedrun

all you need to do to complete the main quest is strike the heart of lorkhan with sunder and keening, and the game even gives you a considerably-faster back-path by which to do that if you somehow manage to flub the MQ up somewhere along the line by taking wraithguard to yakkity-yagrum - which can be done right from the start of the game if you have big cojones

would you consider doing that a more 'valid' speedrun of the game?

[ᵉʳᵍᵒ]

Originally posted by cyäegha:

Originally posted by Insomniac Jack:

That's comparable to Gandalf summoning one of those giant eagles to swoop Frodo, right after he discovers the ring, and having it literally drop him off into the molten pitts of Mordor....You're doing it wrong.

whether or not you personally agree with whether it's ethically consistent with the rules set by the game, what the category finds permissable is absolute for the purposes of an SDA-approved any% speedrun

all you need to do to complete the main quest is strike the heart of lorkhan with sunder and keening, and the game even gives you a considerably-faster back-path by which to do that if you somehow manage to flub the MQ up somewhere along the line by taking wraithguard to yakkity-yagrum - which can be done right from the start of the game if you have big cojones

would you consider doing that a more 'valid' speedrun of the game?

That's like saying all you need to do to finish a cake is the eat the strawberry on top. You've missed the whole cake, doofus! Speedruns are silly. I swear, 90% of the time I see speedrunners taking advantage of some kind of bug to complete a game faster. It's not legit, IMO.

[Insomniac Jack]

It's all about the destination. I think we can unanimously agree that speedrunners have no souls.

[Dayve]

You can argue technicalities all you like but abusing glitches to skip 99.9% of the content and go right to the final fight is not a speedrun, it's a cheatrun.

A speedrun is going through ALL the main story content as fast as you can.

[_Zucc1]

Lmao a speedrun is how fast you can get to the credits, thats the whole point of a speedrun. why would you do all the optional content if you're trying to beat it as fast as you can. A speedrun is meant to show off what you can do in a game, not to represent the game in it's entirety.
Not that I was trying to speedrun oblivion js.

[Dayve]

Originally posted by bagelmysandwich:

Lmao a speedrun is how fast you can get to the credits, thats the whole point of a speedrun. why would you do all the optional content if you're trying to beat it as fast as you can. A speedrun is meant to show off what you can do in a game, not to represent the game in it's entirety.
Not that I was trying to speedrun oblivion js.

A speedrun is a speedrun. It's about how fast you can get through the main quest of a game to the end. If you're using unintended glitches (proven to be glitches and not meant to be in the game by the fact that Bethesda later patched them out) then you're doing a cheatrun, or an exploit run.

[ᵉʳᵍᵒ]

Originally posted by AndreyKva:

Originally posted by The Imperial Watch:

That's like saying all you need to do to finish a cake is the eat the strawberry on top. You've missed the whole cake, doofus! Speedruns are silly. I swear, 90% of the time I see speedrunners taking advantage of some kind of bug to complete a game faster. It's not legit, IMO.

But that's the point of a speedrun. To get to the end of the game's story as quickly as possible. It doesn't matter what you think makes for a good speedrun, that's the rules set by the community. And that's only one kind of speedrun.

You haven't run a whole track faster than anyone else if you've jumped to the other end from the start. Your time isn't justified if you've exploited a loophole to do so. You've got to run the whole course for your time to count. Get what I'm saying?

"The majority agrees with me" itsn't a valid argument, either; rules set by a community are subject to change. If enough of the community decides to agree with me and others who share my opinion, the rules will change; and your own validated opinion will be come invalid.

There's no point arguing, though. That much is true.

[Dayve]

Yeah... if you try to set a record for the fastest time running a mile, that's a speedrun. You're doing a speedrun of a mile and trying to set a record. If you cut across the grass to get to the end of the course instead of running on the track... you haven't set a record. You haven't run a mile. You've just cheated to get to the end of the track. It doesn't count.

Technically you started at the beginning of the track and ended at the end of the track but you skipped everything inbetween. AKA cheating. AKA doesn't count.