The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

armageddon Mar 14, 2024 @ 9:10pm
Nerevarine vs. Dragonborn
If they fought who do you think would win?
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theo (Banned) Mar 14, 2024 @ 9:40pm 
I bet on Nerevarine
Besides, there's a good chance Nerevarine is a dragonborn as well
Boutus Mar 15, 2024 @ 12:05am 
I always side with the Nerevarine so I am biased.
Nebgama Mar 15, 2024 @ 1:47am 
Aedra gave up a big portion of their power to create Nirn losing a lot of their power in the process because they were tricked, Where as Daedra did not do that and held onto their power.

- Daedra cannot create like Aedra can though so they lose here but they can still shape reality.

Hard to say really Daedra are technically more powerful in the physical plain but they have less features overall.

Considering Nirn is basically dominated by Daedra i would say that they win here, a descendant of that such as the Nerveraine would be pretty significant.

- We know there is only one Nerveraine but there has been many Dragonborn

Dragonborn are incarnations of Akatosh or other dragons where Nerevarine is a reincarnation of itself.

Dragonborn are susceptible to death where as Nerveraine is not because Nerveraine is defined by Daedra and Daedra are immortal. Nerveraine can reincarnate where a Dragonborn cannot.

Allthough Dragonborns are incartions of dragons so they embody the soul of a greater god but they can die.

Dragonborn would be stronger in mundus but weaker in Nirn because Daedra have more dominion over Nirn.
If they were fighting somewhere in Morrowind or Tamriel for that matter then i think Nerevarine would have the upper hand because of this.

There is no reason that Nerevarine is a Dragonborn there is ties to Empire which has Dragonborn in its lineage like most emperors are dragonborn but imo there is not enough knowledge to say that Nerevarine is one.
If this is the case then Nerevarine would be a altered pawn by Uriel and the Daedra working together.

We know that Nerv is a collab between the two at this time in the world but we don't know enough to actually say that Nerv is a Dragonborn. I don't think he is tbh the context is very loose and there is nothing to back up this line of thinking.
Last edited by Nebgama; Mar 15, 2024 @ 1:58am
Nebgama Mar 15, 2024 @ 2:17am 
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Lost_Prophecy

imo in this context Dragon-born means born under a Dragon or a Dragon was involved which Empire symbolizes Dragons and Uriel was a Dragonborn Where Dragon-born is a distinction from Dragonborn.

I don't think Nerevarine was born as a Dragonborn but a Dragonborn had a hand in his arrival. Uriel brought Nerevarine's arrival together with bringing him in on the ship. I would say Azura spawned him though.

Far-Star-Marked means Sphere of Oblivion because Spheres are the stars in Oblivion

Dragon-born and far-star-marked, meaning that both these are playing a role in the arrival of Nerevarine.

I think potentially Nerevarine is supposed to be a Dragonborn but the one that goes down in history and the one we play as is not Dragonborn. Outside of this there is not much lore that leads to Nerv being Dragonborn. Our character is the real Nerevarine though there is no doubting that.

Dragon-born = 2
Far-Star-Marked = 3

3 supersedes 2 therefore he is not Dragonborn.
Last edited by Nebgama; Mar 15, 2024 @ 2:24am
Apocalypse Mar 15, 2024 @ 5:21am 
The Dragonborn doesnt even have strength, no contest
theo (Banned) Mar 15, 2024 @ 6:17am 
Originally posted by Nebgama:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Lost_Prophecy

imo in this context Dragon-born means born under a Dragon or a Dragon was involved which Empire symbolizes Dragons and Uriel was a Dragonborn Where Dragon-born is a distinction from Dragonborn.

I don't think Nerevarine was born as a Dragonborn but a Dragonborn had a hand in his arrival. Uriel brought Nerevarine's arrival together with bringing him in on the ship. I would say Azura spawned him though.

Far-Star-Marked means Sphere of Oblivion because Spheres are the stars in Oblivion

Dragon-born and far-star-marked, meaning that both these are playing a role in the arrival of Nerevarine.

I think potentially Nerevarine is supposed to be a Dragonborn but the one that goes down in history and the one we play as is not Dragonborn. Outside of this there is not much lore that leads to Nerv being Dragonborn. Our character is the real Nerevarine though there is no doubting that.

Dragon-born = 2
Far-Star-Marked = 3

3 supersedes 2 therefore he is not Dragonborn.
It's a riddled poetical text so every line may have double meaning.
And if dragon-born just means born in the Empire why that specific choice of words.
Another hint is Nerevarine's relation to the Heart of Lorkhan.
I also doubt that being Nerevarine has any meaning, could be just a self fulfilling prophesy. There's nothing to confirm that you're a literal reincarnation of Nerevar and no special powers that only the Nerevarine has. So it's an open ended question
psychotron666 Mar 15, 2024 @ 7:38am 
Originally posted by theo:
Originally posted by Nebgama:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Lost_Prophecy

imo in this context Dragon-born means born under a Dragon or a Dragon was involved which Empire symbolizes Dragons and Uriel was a Dragonborn Where Dragon-born is a distinction from Dragonborn.

I don't think Nerevarine was born as a Dragonborn but a Dragonborn had a hand in his arrival. Uriel brought Nerevarine's arrival together with bringing him in on the ship. I would say Azura spawned him though.

Far-Star-Marked means Sphere of Oblivion because Spheres are the stars in Oblivion

Dragon-born and far-star-marked, meaning that both these are playing a role in the arrival of Nerevarine.

I think potentially Nerevarine is supposed to be a Dragonborn but the one that goes down in history and the one we play as is not Dragonborn. Outside of this there is not much lore that leads to Nerv being Dragonborn. Our character is the real Nerevarine though there is no doubting that.

Dragon-born = 2
Far-Star-Marked = 3

3 supersedes 2 therefore he is not Dragonborn.
It's a riddled poetical text so every line may have double meaning.
And if dragon-born just means born in the Empire why that specific choice of words.
Another hint is Nerevarine's relation to the Heart of Lorkhan.
I also doubt that being Nerevarine has any meaning, could be just a self fulfilling prophesy. There's nothing to confirm that you're a literal reincarnation of Nerevar and no special powers that only the Nerevarine has. So it's an open ended question

Yeah even the wise woman says you aren't the nerevarine but have potential to become the nerevarine. And given all the other failed nerevarines, it's safe to assume you aren't literal reincarnation of nerevar, but more so just a figure that Azura set up to fulfill her own prophecy.
The only hereditary things that qualify a nerevarine is born on a certain day to uncertain parents and born an outlander to morrowind.
Given azuras power of prophecy, she can probably only grant those powers through a prophecy (like setting a birth day, uncertain parents and outlander) as part of her daedric limitations of power over nirn.

The only actual super human(mer) powers that nerevarine has is immortality (as in age doesn't affect him) and immunity to disease.
It's also highly likely the nerevarine is a shezzarine given the link to the heart of lorkhan, and possibly a dragonborn too (no way to really verify that unless he has a chance to kill a dragon).
Nebgama Mar 15, 2024 @ 7:12pm 
Shezzarine is folk lore its myth and not grounded in reality, its a bed time story that parents read to children they are not real.

Dragonbrorn he is not because Dragonborn is tied to Aedra the most famous Dragon being Akatosh. The whole Deadra pantheon in contrast has nothing to do with Dragonborn in the sense of having actual Dragonborn because dragon Gods are on the other team.

Nerevraine is the reincarntion of the real indoril where indoril was Azura's first champion in fact most likely Azura's first pawn on the gameboard ever. Hence the name FIrst Champion.

Therefore Azura having Dominion over the Nereveraine knows who the Nerevarine is because its her soul a soul under her since the begging.

The only reason Dragonborn would make sense is if it ties into Daedra renouncing that estate, they used to have Akatosh at some point but when the Greater Princes became Gods they got rid of all that and created their pantheon.

This is very unhinged ther dots are there but the lore is not sound enough. Basically all the Gods where one in the same but the Daedra broke off and our recorded history is after the dragon break. the first dragon break. Therefore to say that Nerv is potentially Dragonborn is false.

Realistically i think that he could be but he is not because there is very clear cursors that say otherwise.
Last edited by Nebgama; Mar 15, 2024 @ 7:21pm
psychotron666 Mar 15, 2024 @ 7:20pm 
Originally posted by Nebgama:
Shezzarine is folk lore its myth and not grounded in reality, its a bed time story that parents read to children they are not real.

Dragonbrorn he is not because Dragonborn is tied to Aedra the most famous Dragon being Akatosh. The whole Deadra pantheon in contrast has nothing to do with dragonborn in the sense of having dragonborn.

Nerevraine is the reincarntion of the real indoril where indoril was Azura's first champion in fact most likely Azura's first pawn on the gameboard ever.

Therefore Azura having Dominion over the Nereveraine knows who the Nerevarine is because its her soul a soul under her since the begging.

Shezzarines are real, because it requires the heart of lorkhan to power the numidium, which is why vivec gave it to Tiber septim thinking he couldn't activate it. Tiber and zurin soul trapped wulfarth who is a shezzarine and it worked to power the numidium. The fact that the numidium has been used multiple times without the heart of lorkhan is proof of shezzarines existence.

And if nerevarine is actually the reincarnation of nerevar, that means the nerevarine in game HAS to be less than 30 years old because of peak star being the last nerevarine. That doesn't really jive with Bethesda's blank slate character creations
Last edited by psychotron666; Mar 15, 2024 @ 7:22pm
Nebgama Mar 15, 2024 @ 7:31pm 
Sorry not Shezzar i am confusing it with something else which is escaping me but i know it sounds the same, its on the tip of my tough but its eluding me atm. similar forgive me, regardless Shezzar is Akatosh so it still does not sit properly to say that it holds any bearing.
Nebgama Mar 15, 2024 @ 7:32pm 
First world game desing means you can be any race and any age, there is no age to Nervarine.
Nebgama Mar 15, 2024 @ 7:41pm 
All we know is that he arrived 3E 427 which is the century and the year there is no indication on how old he is because its not that minute its also not that important its meant to be fodder for these very discussion we argue about.
Nebgama Mar 15, 2024 @ 7:59pm 
Originally posted by theo:
Originally posted by Nebgama:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Lost_Prophecy

imo in this context Dragon-born means born under a Dragon or a Dragon was involved which Empire symbolizes Dragons and Uriel was a Dragonborn Where Dragon-born is a distinction from Dragonborn.

I don't think Nerevarine was born as a Dragonborn but a Dragonborn had a hand in his arrival. Uriel brought Nerevarine's arrival together with bringing him in on the ship. I would say Azura spawned him though.

Far-Star-Marked means Sphere of Oblivion because Spheres are the stars in Oblivion

Dragon-born and far-star-marked, meaning that both these are playing a role in the arrival of Nerevarine.

I think potentially Nerevarine is supposed to be a Dragonborn but the one that goes down in history and the one we play as is not Dragonborn. Outside of this there is not much lore that leads to Nerv being Dragonborn. Our character is the real Nerevarine though there is no doubting that.

Dragon-born = 2
Far-Star-Marked = 3

3 supersedes 2 therefore he is not Dragonborn.
It's a riddled poetical text so every line may have double meaning.
And if dragon-born just means born in the Empire why that specific choice of words.
Another hint is Nerevarine's relation to the Heart of Lorkhan.
I also doubt that being Nerevarine has any meaning, could be just a self fulfilling prophesy. There's nothing to confirm that you're a literal reincarnation of Nerevar and no special powers that only the Nerevarine has. So it's an open ended question

Because the symbol and crest for Empire is a Dragon, Akatosh actually. Dragon-Born is clearly a distinction because its split into two using a hyphen its meant to indicate that its not one adherent thing but two separate things joined together.

Basically the hyphen means this.

- Dragon-Born
- Dragon and Born

Think of it this way lets say we have an Ice Axe that is meant for cutting Ice but the Axe is not actually made of Ice. to signify this you could use a hyphen.

- Ice-Axe

Gramatically that is how you would explain the Ice axe in a very shorthand way.

Three-Star-Marked is obviously the trinity of the three Daedric Gods Almvsi. Three separate things separated by Hyphen but showing that they are related to each other.

Thee stars where Daedra are moons and stars also so, Three Stars are Marking the Neveravine that is Born around a Dragon although he is not DragonBorn.
Last edited by Nebgama; Mar 15, 2024 @ 8:08pm
Nebgama Mar 15, 2024 @ 8:33pm 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtFkIdanNEs

Been here before
- Third era
- Three-Star-Marked
- Dragon-born

Azura is talking to you in your dream sleeve, she is basically telling you that you have been chosen yes i know chosen, that could elude to many speculation but its irrelevant. Dragonborn don't banish to Oblivion because they die, only Daedra can be banished.

We know Uriel was the mortal counter part that brought the arrival togeather because Nerve is on an imperial boat and there is other lore that alludes to product placement of the Empire. You are ushered in through the Imperial system and then report to the Blades which is a Empire faction, Uriel's body guard service in fact.

Empire vested interest in making sure that you come alone and get stuff done. And we are talking about Dragonborn, Akatosh defined etc. So both sides in unison for a greater cause. Dragonborn are the ones who bring drastic change when it is needed and Uriel did his part.

The full circle symbiosis means that Indoril was Alive initially and then he went back to Oblivion and now is coming back around again with no memory because your memory gets wiped.

Yes this could be Nerevarine 1001 but the other failed incarnates are just that failed and they never completed the prophecy so therefore they are not the Nerevarine because only the Nerevarine can complete the prophecy.

Peekstar please to even suggest that is unhinged peakstar was looking for the fame of "The Nerverine" imo.
Last edited by Nebgama; Mar 15, 2024 @ 8:36pm
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