Is everything in Morrowind SUPPOSED to suck?

[Gamer Auto]

I got this game as a gift several months ago. I've started and restarted it more times than I can remember. And I can't even remember any character names or specifics of a quest beyond that mushroom one at the beginning of the game or even detail how a town looks without seeing a picture of it. But the one thing I DO remember clearly about this game is that pretty much everything that matters sucks MAJOR balls.

I remember that ranged combat was decent at best, but the melee cmbat was TERRIBLE. People may crap on Skyrim's combat for being too boring, and I've never played Skyrim myself. But from what I've seen, at least you can actually HIT THINGS with your sword. Not do zero damage to an enemy TWO FEET IN FRONT OF YOU. And playing as a mage or an archer in a game where around NINTY PERCENT OF THE ENEMIES RUN UP AND GET IN YOUR FACE? Skyrim may not be Dark Souls, but at least it's combat is better than Morrowind's.

Another complaint I have is with the navigation. WHERE THE HELL DO YOU EVEN GO? I'd get a quest about some ♥♥♥♥, and I'd get lost trying to find it. EVEN IN THE FIRST REAL TOWN I got lost a lot. You can't walk five feet without wondering "is THIS where I need to go?"

Another thing is the story portrayal. Now, I'm not against reading in a video game. But when that game NEEDS voice acting to get any point across and not make me get bored outta my skull after twenty minutes, you KNOW that you have a bad game.

So I ask all you pro-league Elder Scrolls players this: is Morrowind SUPPOSED to suck balls? Or is it just a sign of how dated it is? And if it's just dated, are there any mods that can boost the quality to today's standards? Because I've heard good things about this game, and I want to experience that. But if this game makes the Scattergun in Bastion look like a high caliber ultra accurate sniper rifle, then I'm gonna have to permanently dump this one.

[Giga Gilgamesh]

After a quick read, it sounds like you have a short attention span and you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about how bad the game is for not pandering to your five second memory and even shorter attention span, and i'll tackle each of your points one-by-one.

I can't even remember any character names or quest specifics

That's your fault, not the game's.

blah blah combat blah blah

It runs on a dice-roll system, because back in 2002 tabletop RPGs were all the rage, if you don't like it, piss off.

WHERE THE HELL DO YOU EVEN GO?

LISTEN TO THE NPCs!
Every quest gives you detailed directions, and if you ever need to check them again you can press J to whip out your journal and flick through the pages, or filter by each quest. If you can't be assed to read directions, that's your own fault. Go back to Skyrim, where a big-ass arrow tells you where to go every five seconds.

But when that game NEEDS voice acting...and not make me bored

Oh, we're SO SORRY that a game from 2002 didn't have the memory capabilities to pander to you. I like the reading-based system. I do PREFER voice acting, but there's certainly no issue with reading.

blah blah

If you want better graphics *sigh* you can get MGSO 3.0 at ornitocopter.net
and if you don't want the dice-roll combat, google "morrowind accurateattack" and install AccurateAttack.

I love Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim equally, but listening to people like you ramble on and blame the game for your own problems physically pains me.

tl;dr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGbTdfTh7AM

[Gamer Auto]

Originally posted by Jeb Kerman:

After a quick read, it sounds like you have a short attention span and you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about how bad the game is for not pandering to your five second memory and even shorter attention span, and i'll tackle each of your points one-by-one.

I can't even remember any character games or quest specifics

That's your fault, not the game's.

blah blah combat blah blah

It runs on a dice-roll system, because back in 2002 tabletop RPGs were all the rage, if you don't like it, piss off.

WHERE THE HELL DO YOU EVEN GO?

LISTEN TO THE NPCs!
Every quest gives you detailed directions, and if you ever need to check them again you can press J to whip out your journal and flick through the pages, or filter by each quest. If you can't be assed to read directions, that's your own fault. Go back to Skyrim, where a big-ass arrow tells you where to go every five seconds.

[quote[But when that game NEEDS voice acting...and not make me bored[/quote]
Oh, we're SO SORRY that a game from 2002 didn't have the memory capabilities to pander to you. I like the reading-based system. I do PREFER voice acting, but there's certainly no issue with reading.

blah blah

If you want better graphics *sigh* you can get MGSO 3.0 at ornitocopter.net

I love Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim equally, but listening to people like you ramble on and blame the game for your own problems physically pains me.

tl;dr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGbTdfTh7AM

No, you don't get it. This was my first Elder Scrolls. And this game. UGH.

I don't mind the graphical limitations. Deus Ex (the original) has those same limitations and I don't think of it any less. Other than the fact that it too sucks in it's combat department, but that's for another day.

I don't have a short attention span. I could watch all three EXTENDED cuts of the Lord of the Rings trilogy in one sitting. I don't mind reading in video games. But when it drones on about shoddy instructions on how to do something, and I can't even figure out what it's trying to say, then it's a bad game in my eyes. I have Graphic Novels both in my library and in my wishlist, obviosuly I don't have that short an attention span.

A dice roll system for a first person perspective game? What were they smoking? You can't do that, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. Having a first person perspective means you need quick reaction time and solid strikes. If you miss, it needs to be YOUR fault, not the game deciding on a whim that you're just gonna randomly miss.
In a game like....for example....BioShock. When you hit somebody with your wrench, it deals damage every single time. When you don't do damage, it's because YOU missed. It's because YOU didn't aim well enough. Not because the game just said "oops, you missed a blow that in any other game would have hit".
I can deal with RNGs for armor calculations and critical hits. I can't deal with it when it happens for every little point of damage.

If you're gonna be so nostalgia blind that you're gonna deny that these are serious issues with the game, then maybe it's YOU that needs to leave now and never come back.

[Giga Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Gamer Auto:

Originally posted by Jeb Kerman:

After a quick read, it sounds like you have a short attention span and you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about how bad the game is for not pandering to your five second memory and even shorter attention span, and i'll tackle each of your points one-by-one.


That's your fault, not the game's.


It runs on a dice-roll system, because back in 2002 tabletop RPGs were all the rage, if you don't like it, piss off.


LISTEN TO THE NPCs!
Every quest gives you detailed directions, and if you ever need to check them again you can press J to whip out your journal and flick through the pages, or filter by each quest. If you can't be assed to read directions, that's your own fault. Go back to Skyrim, where a big-ass arrow tells you where to go every five seconds.


Oh, we're SO SORRY that a game from 2002 didn't have the memory capabilities to pander to you. I like the reading-based system. I do PREFER voice acting, but there's certainly no issue with reading.


If you want better graphics *sigh* you can get MGSO 3.0 at ornitocopter.net

I love Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim equally, but listening to people like you ramble on and blame the game for your own problems physically pains me.

tl;dr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGbTdfTh7AM

If you're gonna be so nostalgia blind that you're gonna deny that these are serious issues with the game, then maybe it's YOU that needs to leave now and never come back.

rip your credibility

I started with Skyrim, then Oblivion, and i got Morrowind in 2013.
Please, keep telling me how nostalgia blind i am.

I agree, the RNG in a first person game is a tad wonky, but it works.

You didn't tackle any of my other points. 10/10

[Gamer Auto]

Originally posted by Jeb Kerman:

Originally posted by Gamer Auto:

If you're gonna be so nostalgia blind that you're gonna deny that these are serious issues with the game, then maybe it's YOU that needs to leave now and never come back.

rip your credibility

I started with Skyrim, then Oblivion, and i got Morrowind in 2013.
Please, keep telling me how nostalgia blind i am.

I agree, the RNG in a first person game is a tad wonky, but it works.

You didn't tackle any of my other points. 10/10

More like YOU didn't counter any of MY other points.

My opinion still stands. A bad game is a bad game. And I'm not gonna stand here and be pushed around by some blind fanboy that can't see that the game has severe issues. If you're not gonna help me find a way to make it more playable in my eyes, then piss off.

[Zeronomus]

Originally posted by Gamer Auto:

I got this game as a gift several months ago. I've started and restarted it more times than I can remember. And I can't even remember any character names or specifics of a quest beyond that mushroom one at the beginning of the game or even detail how a town looks without seeing a picture of it. But the one thing I DO remember clearly about this game is that pretty much everything that matters sucks MAJOR balls.

I remember that ranged combat was decent at best, but the melee cmbat was TERRIBLE. People may crap on Skyrim's combat for being too boring, and I've never played Skyrim myself. But from what I've seen, at least you can actually HIT THINGS with your sword. Not do zero damage to an enemy TWO FEET IN FRONT OF YOU. And playing as a mage or an archer in a game where around NINTY PERCENT OF THE ENEMIES RUN UP AND GET IN YOUR FACE? Skyrim may not be Dark Souls, but at least it's combat is better than Morrowind's.

Another complaint I have is with the navigation. WHERE THE HELL DO YOU EVEN GO? I'd get a quest about some ♥♥♥♥, and I'd get lost trying to find it. EVEN IN THE FIRST REAL TOWN I got lost a lot. You can't walk five feet without wondering "is THIS where I need to go?"

Another thing is the story portrayal. Now, I'm not against reading in a video game. But when that game NEEDS voice acting to get any point across and not make me get bored outta my skull after twenty minutes, you KNOW that you have a bad game.

So I ask all you pro-league Elder Scrolls players this: is Morrowind SUPPOSED to suck balls? Or is it just a sign of how dated it is? And if it's just dated, are there any mods that can boost the quality to today's standards? Because I've heard good things about this game, and I want to experience that. But if this game makes the Scattergun in Bastion look like a high caliber ultra accurate sniper rifle, then I'm gonna have to permanently dump this one.

If you can't handle reading quest instructions and directions, then this isn't the game for you. Almost all the quests in Morrowind give you a location for where you are headed and if you still can't find a location after being given directions, you could always look up the location on UESP and find detailed instructions for navigating toward it.

On the matter of combat, yes the combat can be annoying at times, but thats just the way it is. At higher levels you miss a lot less, so if you don't want to miss then either level up your skills or download the mod that lets you land every attack.

Regarding story, I honestly do not see how you find the reading bad. In 2002, there wasn't the capacity for EVERY one of the thousands of lines of dialogue in Morrowind to be fully voice acted. The dialogue set up is actually pretty nifty once you get used to it and the hyperlinking is a great idea and works well. If the problem with the story is that it's boring, then all I have to say to you is that you should just put the game down then, because there is A LOT of reading, as you can probably tell, and this is a heavily story driven game.

[Munuxi]

As for the navigation part. I have played a good deal to know that most NPCs will tell you where to go looking for every quest. They might not tell you step-by-step directions, but they might tell you, "west/east/north/south/southeast, etc, etc of X place". Or they might tell you, "talk to X in this town to know more". Instructions can be vague in some instances, but, usually, the information given helps you narrow it down. That's just how the game works. You are given information and clues and are supposed to find your own way around.

EDIT: Didn't see Zeronomous' post; my bad.

What exactly would make this game better in your eyes, besides the combat? The game is not objectively bad just because you are having these problems.

[Giga Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Gamer Auto:

Originally posted by Jeb Kerman:

rip your credibility

I started with Skyrim, then Oblivion, and i got Morrowind in 2013.
Please, keep telling me how nostalgia blind i am.

I agree, the RNG in a first person game is a tad wonky, but it works.

You didn't tackle any of my other points. 10/10

More like YOU didn't counter any of MY other points.

My opinion still stands. A bad game is a bad game. And I'm not gonna stand here and be pushed around by some blind fanboy that can't see that the game has severe issues. If you're not gonna help me find a way to make it more playable in my eyes, then piss off.

I LITERALLY told you how to make it more playable.

You can get better graphics by installing MGSO 3.0 at ornitocopter.net and remove the RNG dice rolls by installing AccurateAttack.

The game has issues, none of which are severe. I'm neither blind, nor a fanboy. I addressed all of your points, you only addressed two of mine. I think you're defensive because you know you're wrong.

[Gamer Auto]

Originally posted by Munuxi:

As for the navigation part. I have played a good deal to know that most NPCs will tell you where to go looking for every quest. They might not tell you step-by-step directions, but they might tell you, "west/east/north/south/southeast, etc, etc of X place". Or they might tell you, "talk to X in this town to know more". Instructions can be vague in some instances, but, usually, the information given helps you narrow it down. That's just how the game works. You are given information and clues and are supposed to find your own way around.

EDIT: Didn't see Zeronomous' post; my bad.

What exactly would make this game better in your eyes, besides the combat? The game is not objectively bad just because you are having these problems.

What would make the game better, in my eyes, is better navigational instructions that you don't need a decoder for, RNG elements mostly removed, and at least VO for the main quest line.
I can handle reading in a video game. Like, every time my database updated with a character's profile in Assassin's Creed 2, I'd drop everything to read it. I like that kind of stuff. I see people skim over books in a Skyrim Let's Play, and I'm curious as to what the book says. If an NPC's dialogue is purely text, I can live with that. But I'd like for at least the main plot of the game to have at least a bit of VO to help spice things up.

[Killroy]

Get a mod, or learn to use the wiki....

[Gamer Auto]

Originally posted by Killroy:

Get a mod, or learn to use the wiki....

Wiki can only do so much for poorly executed combat.

[Giga Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Gamer Auto:

Originally posted by Killroy:

Get a mod, or learn to use the wiki....

Wiki can only do so much for poorly executed combat.

Matey, i'm starting to think you're a troll.
GET ACCURATEATTACK.
YOU CAN GET ACCURATEATTACK AND IT REMOVES THE COMBAT RNG.

[EgoMaster]

You should pass on Morrowind perhaps? The reasons you wrote for "suck" are either not real issues (like combat, directions, voice overs) or don't bother many people. You also seem to have come here to rant instead of seeking help. You won't convince us that Morrowind sucks and you seem you don't want to be convinced otherwise.

[Giga Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Gamer Auto:

Originally posted by Jeb Kerman:

Matey, i'm starting to think you're a troll.
GET ACCURATEATTACK.
YOU CAN GET ACCURATEATTACK AND IT REMOVES THE COMBAT RNG.

Maybe if you apologized for being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ earlier, I would. But just getting a mod does not excuse the combat being poor out of the box.

You wanted me to suggest a way to make the game better in your eyes, and i've done so many times. Just because you think i'm an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ doesn't make my suggestions invalid.

You're contradicting yourself on a ludicrous scale.
"suggest a way for me to make the game better"
*suggests accurateattack*
"that doesn't excuse the combat being poor out of the box"

jesus christ

[Giga Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by EgoMaster:

You should pass on Morrowind perhaps? The reasons you wrote for "suck" are either not real issues (like combat, directions, voice overs) or don't bother many people. You also seem to have come here to rant instead of seeking help. You won't convince us that Morrowind sucks and you seem you don't want to be convinced otherwise.

Thank you.

[Gamer Auto]

Originally posted by EgoMaster:

You should pass on Morrowind perhaps? The reasons you wrote for "suck" are either not real issues (like combat, directions, voice overs) or don't bother many people. You also seem to have come here to rant instead of seeking help. You won't convince us that Morrowind sucks and you seem you don't want to be convinced otherwise.

Originally posted by Jeb Kerman:

Originally posted by Gamer Auto:

Maybe if you apologized for being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ earlier, I would. But just getting a mod does not excuse the combat being poor out of the box.

You wanted me to suggest a way to make the game better in your eyes, and i've done so many times. Just because you think i'm an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ doesn't make my suggestions invalid.

You're contradicting yourself on a ludicrous scale.
"suggest a way for me to make the game better"
*suggests accurateattack*
"that doesn't excuse the combat being poor out of the box"

jesus christ

I'm not going to be convinced otherwise because it's up to the developer to make a game presentable when you buy it. Not leave it up to the consumer to fix the developer's poor judgement. I'll get the mod and see if that helps. But it doesn't excuse the development team for making possibly the most important aspect of the gameplay horrible because "RNGs and tabletop RPGs were big at the time". Want an RPG to be like a tabletop? Original Fallout. Want an RPG to be in the first person perspective like a shooter? Drop RNG for basic attacks. It's that simple.