How many Morrowind players like Skyrim?

[Zenith]

I started off with Morrowind back in the day and I can honestly say that I hate Skyrim. Almost everything about the game leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I went back to Morrowind after playing Skyrim and it was like a breath of fresh air (with MGSO installed).

I think the main problem I have with Skyrim is that I have no drive to level up or find loot since I can go anywhere I want at the beginning and do almost every quest. The world is wide open with the early quests literally sending you all over the map which takes away the motivation to get stronger. Although the world is big and beautiful to explore, the mystery is gone. Everything is handed to you on a silver platter so it's just a matter of going through the motions of completing quests and getting more powerful just for the sake of getting more powerful.

Morrowind, on the other hand, gives me constant motivation to get better, get more gold, get better spells, level up, etc because the land is unforgiving and the game is hard. I NEED to get stronger so I can venture further out and do different quests. The world remains mysterious because there are places I can't go because I'm too weak. This whole underlining drive is missing in Skyrim.

There are many more reasons why I prefer Morrowind but I think that's the main one.

So my question is, how many of you who like Morrowind also like Skyrim? Is it common to like both or am I in the minority?

[BarbarianHeart]

I love Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim pretty much equally. For me they are like different flavors of ice cream (and yes I pretty much like all flavors of ice cream). Morrowind may be more like a dark chocolate with lots of candy ribbons and chunks (due to the depth of story since you have to read most of the dialogue so there is more content) and Skyrim more like a white chocolate raspberry ripple (a bit lighter but just as delicious) with Oblivion somewhere in between. I just can't choose between them. They all have their upsides and downsides. It all hinges on personal preference I guess.

[ADEPTA SORORITAS MEBS™]

I like skyrim i just don't consider it a RPG...Just a mindless action game where i can put mod on and have fun..

[Rithm Fluffderg]

I'm more of a Skyrim player that likes Morrowind (though I'll admit I hated Morrowind when I first played it because of how boring it was then) but I suppose that counts.

[Curvykyle]

Out of the three I'd say I'm a fan of Oblivion, then Morrowind, then Skyrim. They're all three in my top 20 games of all time, but my first ever game on my old 360 was Oblivion. Played over 1500 hours on that. It was my first game, I honestly don't think I bought another game until Borderlands. I grew up with that game. I wasn't disapointed with Skyrim, just not as impressed with it. Morrowind I loved, played probably 80 hours on console but my xbox broke soon after I purchased it. Now, I'm playing through all three in order again. I'll probably end up putting most of my time back in Oblivion (again)

[Brandybuck]

<raises hand> I like Skyrim too.

Every game has its flaws (I'm way overleveled right now in Morrowind, leading to bouts of boredom), but I don't feel Skyrim has flaws large enough to generate the amount of hate its getting. It is streamlined to be sure, but the RPG-ness has NOT been filed off. There are lots of things I think Morrowind did better, but not so much that I fall into fits of SDS (Skryrim Derangement Syndrome) every time it's name is mentioned.

I like Oblivion too, though I feel it's the weakest of the three. I think it comes down to a video posted elsewhere, explaining immersion. Morrowind culture has depth and intrigue and stuff. Even if you don't care about the lore, it's still there in the background adding verisimilitude. Oblivion culture is too normal and mainstream. It would be utopia except for those damned daedra. Skryim is in between, a bit closer to Morrowind in this regard.

p.s. Morrowind is a strong enough game to stand on its own merits without having to start yet another thread to bash a different game.

[Munuxi]

Skyrim has given me hundreds of hours of fun. As you said, the land is beautiful and, for me at least, a joy to explore. I don't agree with the above post saying that Skyrim is "just a mindless action game". Sure, you may play it that way but I think that is treating the game wih a great deal of indifference which leads to boredom sooner than later. I enjoy planning my character beforehand, coming up with a backstory for them and taking my time to learn more about the land and its history, which is as rich as Morrowind's, I think.

I can agree that in Morrowind many areas of the game are pretty much inaccesible to low-level characters due to them being inhabited by much more powerful people or creatures and these do give you an incentive to become stronger and come back to try and conquer them. My level 1 Argonian archer found about about this after stumbling accidentally into a Sixth House cave while exploring near Seyda Neen.

In Skyrim, yes, you feel no such restrictions, but that doesn't mean your level 1 character, fresh out of Helgen, can conquer the vampires at Bloodlet Throne, expect to survive the spriggans at Moss Mother Cavern, or come out unscathed from a giant camp. You level up to become more powerful and if you play your character right and get creative, you can conquer any challenge, just like in Morrowind.

I don't think Skyrim is the extremely shallow game a lot of people say it is. It is not perfect but I enjoy it, just like Morrowind.

[Gabrielman]

I enjoy all TES games, however I felt let down by the latter two, more so Oblivion due to how leveling worked. Still I like them all. For me it goes
1 Morrowind
2 Daggerfall
3 Skyrim
4 Oblivion
5 Arena

I feel the later games hold your hand too tightly, and make it too easy with far too little choice. Still, I enjoy them for their own qualities.

[The Rant-man]

Skyrim has removed too many things from time between Morrorind and it Skyrim also has $hitty plot

[ADEPTA SORORITAS MEBS™]

Originally posted by Munuxi:

Skyrim has given me hundreds of hours of fun. As you said, the land is beautiful and, for me at least, a joy to explore. I don't agree with the above post saying that Skyrim is "just a mindless action game". Sure, you may play it that way but I think that is treating the game wih a great deal of indifference which leads to boredom sooner than later. I enjoy planning my character beforehand, coming up with a backstory for them and taking my time to learn more about the land and its history, which is as rich as Morrowind's, I think.

I can agree that in Morrowind many areas of the game are pretty much inaccesible to low-level characters due to them being inhabited by much more powerful people or creatures and these do give you an incentive to become stronger and come back to try and conquer them. My level 1 Argonian archer found about about this after stumbling accidentally into a Sixth House cave while exploring near Seyda Neen.

In Skyrim, yes, you feel no such restrictions, but that doesn't mean your level 1 character, fresh out of Helgen, can conquer the vampires at Bloodlet Throne, expect to survive the spriggans at Moss Mother Cavern, or come out unscathed from a giant camp. You level up to become more powerful and if you play your character right and get creative, you can conquer any challenge, just like in Morrowind.

I don't think Skyrim is the extremely shallow game a lot of people say it is. It is not perfect but I enjoy it, just like Morrowind.

Problem with skyrim i have is how shallow the world is and how schematic feels... Even the plot is so bad executed that lack of credibility.... Or even elements on the game for example the presence of skyrim of all the ores of the tes saga when Morrowind is popular for the number of the ebony ore mines in fact most of the ebony is imported from morrowind.. But nope in skyrim you can mine ebony....

Or even the controversial Daedric armor thing

In morrowind basically the manner to do a daedric armor was described as a complex magical ritual also painful for the daedra to bind his soul at the armor...

While in skyrim "guess what i am ze drabornh.. i just squat an daedric heart on a ebony piece so i make daedring thingz for the lulz"

Not even mention the lot of idiotic (and please don't take offence in this i use the word idiotic because better fit how it felt in the game) moments skyrim have...

"The city is closed because of dragons.." say the guard in whiterun when is common knowledge Akatosh is a dragon and Alduin is in the nord culture... And those dragon have wings... So what's the point to close the city gate because of dragons?....

Or the fact everyone just talk about things that you even don't asked for "i work for Belethor at the Emporium"

The fact that from the lores argonian should be Immunte to poison while in skyrim and also ESO they are not immune to poison...

Or potray dragon as the apocalypse vessel... And then you slay your first dragon at level 3...

Or even became the archmage of winterhold with a level 10 warrior that knows only the light spell...

Or even win the civil war and then be addressed like a common idiot by random guards....

There are a lot of things like that in skyrim those things contribute to break how believable the world is and with that they broke my immersion...

Not even mentioning the removing of spell making... school of magic.. Spells...Attributes...Guild Requirements.. Relevant faction system...


That is basically i enjoy skyrim only as a mindless Action game... Because roleplay elements are nearly absent....

[You takin notes]

I don't LIKE Skyrim, but I don't hate it. The only fun I get out of it is with silly mods.

[Munuxi]

Originally posted by .:Poison:.:

Originally posted by Munuxi:

Skyrim has given me hundreds of hours of fun. As you said, the land is beautiful and, for me at least, a joy to explore. I don't agree with the above post saying that Skyrim is "just a mindless action game". Sure, you may play it that way but I think that is treating the game wih a great deal of indifference which leads to boredom sooner than later. I enjoy planning my character beforehand, coming up with a backstory for them and taking my time to learn more about the land and its history, which is as rich as Morrowind's, I think.

I can agree that in Morrowind many areas of the game are pretty much inaccesible to low-level characters due to them being inhabited by much more powerful people or creatures and these do give you an incentive to become stronger and come back to try and conquer them. My level 1 Argonian archer found about about this after stumbling accidentally into a Sixth House cave while exploring near Seyda Neen.

In Skyrim, yes, you feel no such restrictions, but that doesn't mean your level 1 character, fresh out of Helgen, can conquer the vampires at Bloodlet Throne, expect to survive the spriggans at Moss Mother Cavern, or come out unscathed from a giant camp. You level up to become more powerful and if you play your character right and get creative, you can conquer any challenge, just like in Morrowind.

I don't think Skyrim is the extremely shallow game a lot of people say it is. It is not perfect but I enjoy it, just like Morrowind.

Problem with skyrim i have is how shallow the world is and how schematic feels... Even the plot is so bad executed that lack of credibility.... Or even elements on the game for example the presence of skyrim of all the ores of the tes saga when Morrowind is popular for the number of the ebony ore mines in fact most of the ebony is imported from morrowind.. But nope in skyrim you can mine ebony....

Or even the controversial Daedric armor thing

In morrowind basically the manner to do a daedric armor was described as a complex magical ritual also painful for the daedra to bind his soul at the armor...

While in skyrim "guess what i am ze drabornh.. i just squat an daedric heart on a ebony piece so i make daedring thingz for the lulz"

Not even mention the lot of idiotic (and please don't take offence in this i use the word idiotic because better fit how it felt in the game) moments skyrim have...

"The city is closed because of dragons.." say the guard in whiterun when is common knowledge Akatosh is a dragon and Alduin is in the nord culture... And those dragon have wings... So what's the point to close the city gate because of dragons?....

Or the fact everyone just talk about things that you even don't asked for "i work for Belethor at the Emporium"

The fact that from the lores argonian should be Immunte to poison while in skyrim and also ESO they are not immune to poison...

Or potray dragon as the apocalypse vessel... And then you slay your first dragon at level 3...

Or even became the archmage of winterhold with a level 10 warrior that knows only the light spell...

Or even win the civil war and then be addressed like a common idiot by random guards....

There are a lot of things like that in skyrim those things contribute to break how believable the world is and with that they broke my immersion...

Not even mentioning the removing of spell making... school of magic.. Spells...Attributes...Guild Requirements.. Relevant faction system...


That is basically i enjoy skyrim only as a mindless Action game... Because roleplay elements are nearly absent....

I understand what you say and despite my love for this game, I would be the first to admit that it is far from perfect. For starters, I agree completely with what you said about the Guard saying that Whiterun is closed. Its silly, because NPCs come and go as they please. The rest of your points are valid and I have come across them during my many hours of play, but despite all that I personally have no problem roleplaying any character.

[Keristan]

Morrowind is my absolute favorite of the series, and actually my favorite game ever made..The magic is extremely open and the game is extremely creative. Now i dont hate Skyrim ( only eso lulz), its a fun action/rpg. i really wish they would have placed it during the same time period as Morrowind/Oblivion/Arena (or atleast i think arena takes place in 3E.. ) it depresses me that vvardenfell is basically destroyed by red mountain (go figure red mountain haha). But yeah it bothers me that they removed the attributes system and guild requirements/ranks, as well as MANY other things (no more acrobatics, etc). it bothers me that many n'wahs only like skyrim and eso also. i had a really good experience with oblivion too, just the concept of oblivion gates opening up everywhere was really epic, more epic than alduin in MY opinion.. I do like ablivion the second best after morrowind. but yeah Morrowind is definatly my favorite elder scrolls game, i still need to try out daggerfall,redguard, and battlespire but im very sure Morrowind will always be my favorite game. Sorry if I rambled a lot and the grammar sucks, just throwing my opinion out there.

[Toxic Ted]

Originally posted by .:Poison:.:

Originally posted by Munuxi:

Skyrim has given me hundreds of hours of fun. As you said, the land is beautiful and, for me at least, a joy to explore. I don't agree with the above post saying that Skyrim is "just a mindless action game". Sure, you may play it that way but I think that is treating the game wih a great deal of indifference which leads to boredom sooner than later. I enjoy planning my character beforehand, coming up with a backstory for them and taking my time to learn more about the land and its history, which is as rich as Morrowind's, I think.

I can agree that in Morrowind many areas of the game are pretty much inaccesible to low-level characters due to them being inhabited by much more powerful people or creatures and these do give you an incentive to become stronger and come back to try and conquer them. My level 1 Argonian archer found about about this after stumbling accidentally into a Sixth House cave while exploring near Seyda Neen.

In Skyrim, yes, you feel no such restrictions, but that doesn't mean your level 1 character, fresh out of Helgen, can conquer the vampires at Bloodlet Throne, expect to survive the spriggans at Moss Mother Cavern, or come out unscathed from a giant camp. You level up to become more powerful and if you play your character right and get creative, you can conquer any challenge, just like in Morrowind.

I don't think Skyrim is the extremely shallow game a lot of people say it is. It is not perfect but I enjoy it, just like Morrowind.

Problem with skyrim i have is how shallow the world is and how schematic feels... Even the plot is so bad executed that lack of credibility.... Or even elements on the game for example the presence of skyrim of all the ores of the tes saga when Morrowind is popular for the number of the ebony ore mines in fact most of the ebony is imported from morrowind.. But nope in skyrim you can mine ebony....

Or even the controversial Daedric armor thing

In morrowind basically the manner to do a daedric armor was described as a complex magical ritual also painful for the daedra to bind his soul at the armor...

While in skyrim "guess what i am ze drabornh.. i just squat an daedric heart on a ebony piece so i make daedring thingz for the lulz"

Not even mention the lot of idiotic (and please don't take offence in this i use the word idiotic because better fit how it felt in the game) moments skyrim have...

"The city is closed because of dragons.." say the guard in whiterun when is common knowledge Akatosh is a dragon and Alduin is in the nord culture... And those dragon have wings... So what's the point to close the city gate because of dragons?....

Or the fact everyone just talk about things that you even don't asked for "i work for Belethor at the Emporium"

The fact that from the lores argonian should be Immunte to poison while in skyrim and also ESO they are not immune to poison...

Or potray dragon as the apocalypse vessel... And then you slay your first dragon at level 3...

Or even became the archmage of winterhold with a level 10 warrior that knows only the light spell...

Or even win the civil war and then be addressed like a common idiot by random guards....

There are a lot of things like that in skyrim those things contribute to break how believable the world is and with that they broke my immersion...

Not even mentioning the removing of spell making... school of magic.. Spells...Attributes...Guild Requirements.. Relevant faction system...


That is basically i enjoy skyrim only as a mindless Action game... Because roleplay elements are nearly absent....

You really need to watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEI4yS7sFEw

Morrowind, as much as I love it, really wasn't as concise and immersive as we like to think it is.

For example. In the aforementioned video, it is discussed how you can join the Imperial Legion, House Telvanni AND the Tribunal Temple. Three completely opposed factions and rise as high as possible in all of them with no one batting an eye.

[400g]

Originally posted by The Graceful Gazelle:

Morrowind, as much as I love it, really wasn't as concise and immersive as we like to think it is.

It's a bethesda game after all, i don't think they ever made it right. Cut off the modability of their games and you have a mid-class, unstable game which most people wouldn't play twice. Maybe except Morrowind, this is the only TES i can play without mods, vanilla oblivion is kind of enjoyable too but still mid-class. just my opinion of course :)

WIth Mods, i like all 3 Games Morrowind first then Oblivion and last Skyrim

[Toxic Ted]

Originally posted by 400g:

Originally posted by The Graceful Gazelle:

Morrowind, as much as I love it, really wasn't as concise and immersive as we like to think it is.

It's a bethesda game after all, i don't think they ever made it right. Cut off the modability of their games and you have a mid-class, unstable game which most people wouldn't play twice. Maybe except Morrowind, this is the only TES i can play without mods, vanilla oblivion is kind of enjoyable too but still mid-class. just my opinion of course :)

WIth Mods, i like all 3 Games Morrowind first then Oblivion and last Skyrim

I would say the only mid-class game is Oblivion, my personal opinion is that Morrowind and Skyrim are both good games by themselves, but masterpieces with mods.