The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

What do argonians taste like?
I bet they taste like chicken, with the right seasoning of course.
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Nadlug 17. okt. 2015 kl. 14.54 
Also the hist thing is bs, Cyrrodill has open borders and is closer to the Black Marsh than the island of Vvardenfell which is under quarantine.

Cannonically They are mammals in every way. They wanted to change that for morrowind but double backed on their decision afterwards.

Technicly there are different subspecies of argonian (and Kajhiit for that matter) which are more feral in apperance by nature none of this has anything to do with the consumption of Hist Sap. Its nothing more than a subspecies which still falls under the Mammalia classification of its parent race.

I had the print version of the guide to tamriell that was released with GOTY editions of Oblivion on launch and it was entertaining to read. Not once did it mention hist sap affecting argonian apperance in any way. Its purely a marital, reproduction, and birth ritual.
Sist redigert av Nadlug; 17. okt. 2015 kl. 14.59
Fireeye 17. okt. 2015 kl. 15.14 
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Also the hist thing is bs, Cyrrodill has open borders and is closer to the Black Marsh than the island of Vvardenfell which is under quarantine.

Cannonically They are mammals in every way. They wanted to change that for morrowind but double backed on their decision afterwards.

Technicly there are different subspecies of argonian (and Kajhiit for that matter) which are more feral in apperance by nature none of this has anything to do with the consumption of Hist Sap. Its nothing more than a subspecies which still falls under the Mammalia classification of its parent race.

I had the print version of the guide to tamriell that was released with GOTY editions of Oblivion on launch and it was entertaining to read. Not once did it mention hist sap affecting argonian apperance in any way. Its purely a marital, reproduction, and birth ritual.

1. Vvardenfall routinely abducted Argonians straight from Black Marsh so as to get slaves. House Dres was virtually built around this slave trade.

2. Canonically, we know about the Argonians, the hist, and hatchings, i.e., the Argonians giving birth through eggs (see also: Shadowscales)

3. Print Version of this and that: The same print versio that made the thick jungles of Cyrodil disappear so we could have Lord of the Rings: Middle Europe?
Nadlug 17. okt. 2015 kl. 15.25 
Your also ignoring the fact that Hist consumption is the external modifier. by your Definitions argonians who dont consume it are reverting to their races "Normal" which means they develope mammary glands.

And again, egglaying is not a feature exclusive to reptiles and some mammals do reproduce via laying eggs.

If you want to be stubborn be my guest, your only denying something thats ovious from a sciantific standpoint.

The book specificly is titled "Pocket guide to the Empire"

http://videogamesareus.ecrater.com/p/14225359/pocket-guide-to-the-empire-near

its a physical copy of an cannon book ingame that goes into detail about every province and every race in the game. One of the things it does cover in detail are Hist trees and sap consumption, at no point does it say that it alters physical apperance.
In adittion no in game text says argonians are reptiles.
Sist redigert av Nadlug; 17. okt. 2015 kl. 15.29
Fireeye 17. okt. 2015 kl. 15.38 
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Your also ignoring the fact that Hist consumption is the external modifier. by your Definitions argonians who dont consume it are reverting to their races "Normal" which means they develope mammary glands.

And again, egglaying is not a feature exclusive to reptiles and some mammals do reproduce via laying eggs.

If you want to be stubborn be my guest, your only denying something thats ovious from a sciantific standpoint.

The book specificly is titled "Pocket guide to the Empire"

http://videogamesareus.ecrater.com/p/14225359/pocket-guide-to-the-empire-near

its a physical copy of an cannon book ingame that goes into detail about ever province and every race in the game.

1.You mistake this for a direct consumption case. Bear in mind that the Hist is -very- intelligent (having surived the last Kalpa), and that it will shape its agents as it sees fit.

As for egglaying: Some, very primitive, mammals (i.e. platypus) do indeed procreate via egglaying. Yet you have to consider that Mammals eventually evolved from reptiles, so these (very) few specimen that lay eggs can be treated as border cases at best.

As for the Pocket Guide to the Empire: I actually bothered to look it up, and nowhere does it say that Argonians are mammals. It only says that "the origin of the species associated with the name "Argonian" is the stuff of myth, not history".
Nadlug 17. okt. 2015 kl. 15.52 
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As for egglaying: Some, very primitive, mammals (i.e. platypus) do indeed procreate via egglaying. Yet you have to consider that Mammals eventually evolved from reptiles, so these (very) few specimen that lay eggs can be treated as border cases at best.

As for the Pocket Guide to the Empire: I actually bothered to look it up, and nowhere does it say that Argonians are mammals. It only says that "the origin of the species associated with the name "Argonian" is the stuff of myth, not history".

Birds also lay eggs. So are you going to start claiming that Argonians are Avarian as well?

The point being Egglaying =/= Species is a reptile.

Evolution is a process that takes millions if not billions of years, Bordercase or not it (and the presence of Avarians) is proof that Egglaying is not exclusive to reptiles and therefore not a unique feature of the class. In fact the vasy majority of life excluding plants and fungus reproduces using eggs at some point in the procreation cycle.

The guide (or any ingame text) does not explicitly state that argonians are mammals, but like I said it neither says they are reptiles. Therefore it is open for interperitation, and the only rational interpritation is to follow Scientific classification and category the races based on the features they share with other species. Just like what we do with any new creature we encounter.

Of these features only one is exclusive to one particular Class and that is mammary glands.

Without hist altering their apperance (as you and only you claim) Argonians develope in a normal manner and the females develope breasts. The only logical and rational conclusion is that argonians are Mammals due to the fact that they develope mammary glands under normal growth conditions.
Sist redigert av Nadlug; 17. okt. 2015 kl. 15.55
Do argonians actually have mammary glands, though? I figured the breasts only served to seperate the genders because of some fantasy nonsense, not that they served any real purpose. If I remember correctly, naked argonians in the first two games never had nipples did they?
Fireeye 17. okt. 2015 kl. 16.02 
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As for egglaying: Some, very primitive, mammals (i.e. platypus) do indeed procreate via egglaying. Yet you have to consider that Mammals eventually evolved from reptiles, so these (very) few specimen that lay eggs can be treated as border cases at best.

As for the Pocket Guide to the Empire: I actually bothered to look it up, and nowhere does it say that Argonians are mammals. It only says that "the origin of the species associated with the name "Argonian" is the stuff of myth, not history".

Birds also lay eggs. So are you going to start claiming that Argonians are Avarian as well?

The point being Egglaying =/= Species is a reptile.

Evolution is a process that takes millions if not billions of years, Bordercase or not it (and the presence of Avarians) is proof that Egglaying is not exclusive to reptiles and therefore not a unique feature of the class. In fact the vasy majority of life excluding plants and fungus reproduces using eggs at some point in the procreation cycle.

The guide (or any ingame text) does not explicitly state that argonians are mammals, but like I said it neither says they are reptiles. Therefore it is open for interperitation, and the only rational interpritation is to follow Scientific classification and category the races based on the features they share with other species. Just like what we do with any new creature we encounter.

Of these features only one is exclusive to one particular Class and that is mammary glands.

Avians are -significanly- closer ot reptiles than to mammals. 99% of mammals bear living young and use their mammae to feed them, which reptiles and avians don't. The only exceptions to this are some borde species, and only two of those exist nowadays (platypuses and echidnas).

The guide, for its's part, does explictiely refer to Argonians as "reptilian".

And mammary glands are indeed exclusive to mammals. To the point that they're named after them.

And, just ot make this perfectly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clear, Argonians taste like chicken.
Hjelpmooglene 17. okt. 2015 kl. 16.06 
Mammals didn't exactly evolve in the sense reptiles to mammals. The synapsids evolved around the same time reptiles did. In fact, some paleontologist consider the term "mammal like reptiles" to be outdated. Going back to the actual game itself, the Argonians can interbreed with the other races. Although to be fair, I never really delved that much into the beast race lore. Probably because I really don't care about them.
Nadlug 17. okt. 2015 kl. 16.35 
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The guide, for its's part, does explictiely refer to Argonians as "reptilian".

In the context of appearance as it was in the book, yes.


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And, just ot make this perfectly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clear, Argonians taste like chicken.

Debatable. That phrase origionally is a joke and likely bases its origins in the fact that for a long period of time poultry was the primary source of protein for many cultures due to its abundance and ease of dosmestication.

I imagine the ball started when one brother said to another "moms making something new, I wonder what it will taste like" To wich the other replies "Just like chicken, like everything else."

Realisticly given the differences in diet physiology and enviroment I soursly doubt Argonians (and even Alligators) would taste like chicken. For startes An argonians musctle structure and composition would be similar to a humans. Red meat, not white. Most likely an Argonian would taste more like human.

Apart from that food taskes like whatever you put into it, and chicken (or chicken stock) is just one ingeredient. Spices and other ingerdients can go along way to drasticly change how something tastes.

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Anyone else getting hungry?
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DoorGash driver 18. okt. 2015 kl. 7.57 
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I'm offended by this question

Obviously we taste the same as a bearded dragon would
May I mention that your name is sexy as hell?
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I'm offended by this question

Obviously we taste the same as a bearded dragon would
May I mention that your name is sexy as hell?
My name IS pretty sexy..
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