How the heck are you meant to not break/ cheese the game?

[Winblows]

How the heck are you meant to not break/cheese the game?

alchemancy and enchantment seem like they would take for ever and require insane amounts of money, how were you meant to level those things up? enchantment especially sounds insane to level up with out using a person to train you.

any ways "accidentally" power leveled alchemancy to lvl 100 and made 20k gold and more then enough health restore potions. I all ways end up busting the game with alchemancy. like how the heck are you supposed to play the game if you use alchemancy and enchantment? just seems like you naturally bust the game if you do.

[theo]

Originally posted by Winblows:

enchantment especially sounds insane to level up with out using a person to train you.

So why wouldn't you use trainers. This is true for most skills

Originally posted by Winblows:

how the heck are you supposed to play the game if you use alchemancy and enchantment? just seems like you naturally bust the game if you do.

Dunno, don't use obvious exploits that you've read about in a guide

[Boshiken]

you do not need exploits in this game
just join all factions and make a levelling plan

following the quests and exploring you get enough money for trainers
also with the perfect Birth Sign "The Lady" you get high Personality at the start

so just level, when you need a promotion for new quests
raise Personality Skills and use the cheapest lowest Level Trainer you need

[Boshiken]

also using exploits on Attributes like Personality can have negative effects
"While raising Personality grants a bonus to the Disposition NPCs have towards you, the opposite is also true. Thus if you Fortify the attribute, when the effect wears off you may find previously neutral or even friendly NPCs dislike you."

[Volfogg]

It's just a matter of having some self-restraint... really...
Personally I don't abuse trainers that much unless I want 5x on level up. Sure I could just farm gold via Dark Brotherhood attacks and Creeper in Caldera, but that would kinda break the experience. I'll save that for Bloodmoon and Tribunal content.
(Still having hefty amount of gold from loot and faction quests though.)

[Desiire]

It doesn't matter what build you start with, the end result is always the same: within a few hours you are ridiculously overpowered. That's Morrowind's natural progression, and it makes sense in the context of the main story. You are supposed to be horrendously overpowered. That's the charm of the game.

[psychotron666]

Enchanting can be increased by using enchanted items. There's also nothing that forces you to grind alchemy all in one go. I typically collect and buy ingredients intermittently and put them in my house with the alchemy gear, and make some potions in between adventures.

Otherwise yeah, you're meant to use your copious amounts of money on training skills.

[Winblows]

Originally posted by theo:

Originally posted by Winblows:

enchantment especially sounds insane to level up with out using a person to train you.

So why wouldn't you use trainers. This is true for most skills

Originally posted by Winblows:

how the heck are you supposed to play the game if you use alchemancy and enchantment? just seems like you naturally bust the game if you do.

Dunno, don't use obvious exploits that you've read about in a guide

Thats the thing when would I ever naturally level up enchantmentment or alchemancy? I would never use enchanted items enough, and it would be insane to level enchantment by enchanting items your self. Id have to like stand there spamming my enchanted items or probably though cheese getting money for trainers. A bit similar story for alchemancy. Too many times your potions fail with early alchemancy and its a waste of money over buying the potions out right. So even if you just buy items normally it kind of feels like leveling alchemancy as fast as possible is what you want to do, cheese or no cheese.

[Boshiken]

Originally posted by Winblows:

Originally posted by theo:

So why wouldn't you use trainers. This is true for most skills


Dunno, don't use obvious exploits that you've read about in a guide

Thats the thing when would I ever naturally level up enchantmentment or alchemancy? I would never use enchanted items enough, and it would be insane to level enchantment by enchanting items your self. Id have to like stand there spamming my enchanted items or probably though cheese getting money for trainers. A bit similar story for alchemancy. Too many times your potions fail with early alchemancy and its a waste of money over buying the potions out right. So even if you just buy items normally it kind of feels like leveling alchemancy as fast as possible is what you want to do, cheese or no cheese.

yeah - maybe that's the Point
in "normal" Games - you would think about using Skills - to improve them

but in this Game
this is just a Waste of Time - like repair Weapons without a Master Trainer

[lonetrav]

Originally posted by Winblows:

How the heck are you meant to not break/cheese the game? ...

Don't do it. It's your decision how you play.

Originally posted by Desiire:

It doesn't matter what build you start with, the end result is always the same: within a few hours you are ridiculously overpowered. ...

"A few hours"? Well, depends how you play. You can also speedrun Morrowind - kill Dagoth Ur within a few minutes.
It's true that the Morrowind world is largely static (consisting of regions with a varying degree of difficulty), it doesn't grow with your character. And you can amass insane quantities of money over time - more than you can ever spend. So what?

I myself don't do any "power-playing", don't use trainers at all, and don't use exploits deliberately. My characters become more or less invincible at a level beyond 20 or 25, at which time I normally complete the main quest, too. Then I start to play Tribunal and / or Bloodmoon with these characters, or play a mod or a total conversion which pose new and different challenges. Or try a new character build with self-imposed handicaps.

PS: It's interesting to compare discussions of this kind with the discussions about, say, Oblivion's leveling system (Bethesda's attempt to address at least a few issues Morrowind was criticised for) ... :-)