becoming a god?

[Daweed]

So in the guide from Vivec it says to hit the heart with sunder and then with keening to absorb the power of the heart but nothing happens. And Dragoth ur is just trying to kill me.
Also after killing him there is no escape besides teleporting? Vivec doesnt even congratualte me lol

[Valden21]

Did you hit the Heart enough times with each tool? It's once with Sunder, then five times with Keening. Once you take out the Heart, you can either follow the curving path back up to the door, or you can levitate up to it. The door's controlled by a nearby crank. Then once you're outside, Azura shows up and a cutscene begins.

[Dallas S]

The guide clearly says hit it once with sunder and then multiple times with keening

[Follorgh]

Yeah, multiple hits with Keening. After that Dagoth Ur will die on his own as you start your way back on the bridge. I just finished the main quest for the first time yesterday as well and also made the mistake that I teleported out of the chamber. You need to use the crank and go out the same way you came or if you don't have a previous save just go back to the Heart chamber and that also triggers the cutscene and updates your journal.

[Daweed]

why multiple times? In the guide on how to defeat Dragoth Ur it says hit it once with sunder and then once with keening to establish a connection with the heart (The Nevarine will not be told this method .. bla bla). I want to become a god myself but it doesnt work with the method described in the paper. I know how to destroy it ...

[Dallas S]

Originally posted by Daweed:

why multiple times? In the guide on how to defeat Dragoth Ur it says hit it once with sunder and then once with keening to establish a connection with the heart (The Nevarine will not be told this method .. bla bla). I want to become a god myself but it doesnt work with the method described in the paper. I know how to destroy it ...

Vivec doesn't give you the instructions to become a god with it. And even if you did do it in lore, that doesn't stop dagoth ur, and he's got more knowledge of his god powers he'd beat you like he did to almalexia and sotha sil combined

[Follorgh]

You can only destroy it though. As the guide says, they won't tell you the method. There would be a third step to absorb the power but nobody who knows about it would tell you, that's not an option in the game.

[Daweed]

i see

[Valden21]

Besides, attempting to use the Tools of Kagrenac to become a god is just too dangerous.
We STILL don't know exactly what happened to the Dwemer, only that they vanished as a direct result of something Kagrenac did, and that the Tools of Kagrenac were somehow involved.

[Nebgama]

we never know maybe they bound into Numidium and that is the reason because they were repurposed for the giant statue. it makes sense because Yagum is still alive and talking but was out of town at the time so never got repurposed,
he spent over 3000 years traveling around to find his people but found no trace and that is probably because they are in the statue at home Morrowind.

the only trace of them is in Morrowind too which is where the statue is.

There zeros and zero is creation number in Morrowind because it happens in 3 stages. So 3000 or three 000 is a hint.

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by Nebgama:

we never know maybe they bound into Numidium and that is the reason because they were repurposed for the giant statue. it makes sense because Yagum is still alive and talking but was out of town at the time so never got repurposed,
he spent over 3000 years traveling around to find his people but found no trace and that is probably because they are in the statue at home Morrowind.

the only trace of them is in Morrowind too which is where the statue is.

There zeros and zero is creation number in Morrowind because it happens in 3 stages. So 3000 or three 000 is a hint.

If they are in numidium, they aren't in morrowind but instead in an alternative timeline destroying the high elves in summerset isles. The numidium 2 that dagoth ur is building is a completely different mech.

But yes that's the most common theory that the devs basically said was the explanation in the final report to trebonius. They were to all ascend into divinity into the numidium, and either the numidium didn't activate and gain sentience because all dwemer weren't included (yagrum in an outer realm) or because nerevar used the tools at the instruction of Azura to reverse what the dwemer did, in which case the souls were sent back out to their bodies, which were all dissolved, so they were just annihilated.

[Boshiken]

"Kagrenac's exact goal remains unclear,
but it is believed he sought to heighten his race to Anumidium.
The disappearance of a whole race in an instant
sparked many theories
but is generally thought
to have followed this attempt to use the tools on the Heart,
and simply coincided with the war.
It appears that the Dwemer
were conflicted on their use of the Heart.
Some opposed its use,
warning that massive side effects were likely,
while the majority
of the Tonal Architects, including Kagrenac,
and Bthuand Mzahnch who wrote The Egg of Time
which downplayed
the risks of tampering with the Heart of Lorkhan
wished to proceed."

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by Boshiken:

"Kagrenac's exact goal remains unclear,
but it is believed he sought to heighten his race to Anumidium.
The disappearance of a whole race in an instant
sparked many theories
but is generally thought
to have followed this attempt to use the tools on the Heart,
and simply coincided with the war.
It appears that the Dwemer were conflicted on their use of the Heart.
Some opposed its use,
warning that massive side effects were likely,
while the majority
of the Tonal Architects, including Kagrenac,
and Bthuand Mzahnch who wrote The Egg of Time
which downplayed
the risks of tampering with the Heart of Lorkhan
wished to proceed."

Here's the developer's explanation:

https://www.imperial-library.info/content/final-report-trebonius


It is written in character to trebonius because he gives you the mission to find the disappearance of the dwarves (it's very hard to complete and he doesn't expect you to complete it) and we know it's not canon that the nerevarine completes this quest, because trebonius alternative quest line has you kill the telvanni councillors and we know the nerevarine doesn't do that because neloth is alive in Skyrim.

So this is someone else who was tasked with the quest and this was their findings.

[Boshiken]

"It appears that all members of the Dwemer race
were simply removed from the world.
When the previously untouched Dwemer ruins
of Bamz-Amschend in Mournhold were rediscovered,
numerous piles of ashes were present next to weapons and armor,
on chairs, and in beds,
suggesting the Dwemer's bodies were suddenly reduced to ash in some way.
Dwarven ghosts, often encountered in the ancient abandoned Dwemer ruins,
aggressive revenant spirits of Dwemer
that are present the mortal plane.
The dwarf Yagrum Bagarn, however,
is the last known living being of his kind.
He returned to Tamriel from his journey in the Outer Realm,
and came to discover his people missing."

[Boshiken]

Originally posted by psychotron666:

Originally posted by Boshiken:

"Kagrenac's exact goal remains unclear,
but it is believed he sought to heighten his race to Anumidium.
The disappearance of a whole race in an instant
sparked many theories
but is generally thought
to have followed this attempt to use the tools on the Heart,
and simply coincided with the war.
It appears that the Dwemer were conflicted on their use of the Heart.
Some opposed its use,
warning that massive side effects were likely,
while the majority
of the Tonal Architects, including Kagrenac,
and Bthuand Mzahnch who wrote The Egg of Time
which downplayed
the risks of tampering with the Heart of Lorkhan
wished to proceed."

Here's the developer's explanation:

https://www.imperial-library.info/content/final-report-trebonius


It is written in character to trebonius because he gives you the mission to find the disappearance of the dwarves (it's very hard to complete and he doesn't expect you to complete it) and we know it's not canon that the nerevarine completes this quest, because trebonius alternative quest line has you kill the telvanni councillors and we know the nerevarine doesn't do that because neloth is alive in Skyrim.

So this is someone else who was tasked with the quest and this was their findings.

"The history of the Dwemer is mostly a record of their conflicts
with other races and each other,
...
They became involved in clashes with the newly-arrived Chimer
in the Late Middle Merethic Era over land, resources, and religion.
...
Amidst the Nords' occupation,
Dumac Dwarfking and Indoril Nerevar forged an alliance
which ultimately succeeded in repelling the invaders
...
The Dwemer inexplicably disappeared during the Battle of Red Mountain,
the biggest and final battle of the War of the First Council.
...
Kagrenac constructed Kagrenac's Tools to harness the powers of the Heart of Lorkhan,
which the Dwemer had discovered beneath Red Mountain.
...
When the Chimer found out,
they considered this aim blasphemous and sought to stop it.
...
A theory also exists that their sudden extinction
was caused by their reversal
of the usual processes involved in the creation of the Earth Bones,
the laws of nature."

[Boshiken]

Originally posted by Nebgama:

we never know maybe they bound into Numidium and that is the reason because they were repurposed for the giant statue. it makes sense because Yagum is still alive and talking but was out of town at the time so never got repurposed,
he spent over 3000 years traveling around to find his people but found no trace and that is probably because they are in the statue at home Morrowind.

the only trace of them is in Morrowind too which is where the statue is.

There zeros and zero is creation number in Morrowind because it happens in 3 stages. So 3000 or three 000 is a hint.

really - the Dwemer - are
just Piles of Ashes

and in no Statue

they just died - because of 1 Morron
discovering - "the Atomic Bomb"

there has been no reason
for this

wiping out the whole Race
including this 1 Morron

Dwemer and Indoril Nerevar
already repelled - the North Invaders

and then

"warning that massive side effects were likely,
while the majority"

decided to be Piles of Ashes
in their own Bed