Cloud saving bugged?

[Ashfar]

should i turn it off? everything was working fine until this point. now my savefile returns to previous day no matter what i do. every minute of progress gone again

[Allwynd]

I don't recall it ever working properly. For me it was stuck to a save from days ago. I also advise you to use the GOG version of Morrowind, it's better and more moddable. Here if you want to use OpenMW, which makes the client more stable, for example, alt-tab and prolonged stay in background doesn't cause it to crash, and OpenMW's saving system is different from Vanilla Morrowind so it's not affected by Steam cloud save. Finally the reason I prefer GOG Morrowind is because, again if you use OpenMW, Steam doesn't recognize it as running so it doesn't count how much time you've spent in it. You could have 5000 hours, but Steam has only clocked 0.2 hours.

[Boshiken]

there is no bug in steam
something is wrong with your system
your savegames are in the cloud and local
steam is only helping - when there is something wrong with your savegames
so you might have a problem with your savegames - when steam aligns
this can happen if:
1. your savegames are corrupted by your local system
- not closing the game and steam properly
- loosing internet connection while saving
- installing mods
- ...
2. disconnection during the alignment
you can do testing:
1. run steam check for your game directories
2. go in the 2 directories - check if you can read and write
3. check the files - maybe make a backup
4. delete the files - start a new game or test your backup

[theo]

Yes you should. Any cloud service is crap. Who in their right mind would give up control over their files to software that can glitch out or lose internet connection at any moment

[Boshiken]

Originally posted by theo:

Yes you should. Any cloud service is crap. Who in their right mind would give up control over their files to software that can glitch out or lose internet connection at any moment

No - Cloud gives you backup - if your files are corrupted - like when you install mods
all you have to do is check your files and use the backup

[theo]

Cloud automatically, often without permission and any control, replaces your data with whatever is saved on cloud servers. When cloud fails to update data on server side properly at any point that causes issues

[Boshiken]

Originally posted by theo:

Cloud automatically, often without permission and any control, replaces your data with whatever is saved on cloud servers. When cloud fails to update data on server side properly at any point that causes issues

you are free to use steam service or not
steam provides a check for your game and backup for your files
in most discussions there are local problems
where you loose files with 100rds of hours gameplay without a backup
it is very likely that it is your local internet problem
and very unlikely that you can blame steam servers

[theo]

Sure internet connection can be one of the reasons cloud breaks, and this dependance is what makes it bad.
Without cloud it's all under your control and if anything goes wrong that's not some random problem but because you actively did something wrong.

[Boshiken]

Originally posted by theo:

Sure internet connection can be one of the reasons cloud breaks, and this dependance is what makes it bad.
Without cloud it's all under your control and if anything goes wrong that's not some random problem but because you actively did something wrong.

I think you do not understand what is a local internet problem, cloud or server.
But that's not my issue. Instead of sensless arguing with you,
I would like to know what is the issue in this discussion.
- is it a Mod messing up the SaveGames?
- a PC crash?
- ...

[Bandy]

Always turn off cloud saves, know where the save files are and back up yourself. Every forum there are thread(s) where somebody looses or has corrupt cloud saves... Don't be a statistic, LOL...

[Boshiken]

Originally posted by Bandy:

Always turn off cloud saves, know where the save files are and back up yourself. Every forum there are thread(s) where somebody looses or has corrupt cloud saves... Don't be a statistic, LOL...

the main reason at Morrowind are Mods destroying SaveGames
and this has nothing to do with the Cloud
the Cloud gives you backup
so in these Cases you do not loose 100rds of GamePlay hours
because of a Mod you can delete

[theo]

It has nothing to do with mods. Unlike Steam cloud, Morrowind mods normally don't even have function to delete or replace files in game directories.
Cloud randomly decided to force file restoration when it's not needed so it has to be disabled.
And it's not like it's a new issue specific for Morrowind.

If you ever play a game in offline mode that is very likely to confuse Steam cloud and cause such behaviour.

[Ashfar]

thank you all for replays. anyway i fixed the issue. it was caused by the game crashing when exiting (only sometimes tho). downloaded the mod for that from the nexus and it works great again. i just had to create new names for the save files.

[Boshiken]

funny - different topic related - if you install OpenMV after playing Vanilla:
you know - OpenMV is a totally different Engine
so let's see of all chosen ones answering your question
of not 100rds hours of GamePlay destroyed with one snip of the Infinity Gauntlet