I don't get why Dagoth is a villain.

[Terron]

Back in my childhood, i wasn't able to pay much attention to details when playing Morrowing, but now, after beating the game again, i just don't get why Dagoth is the villain.

He had the Dunmers best interest in mind, he was pretty much the only person to call Nerevar sweet and not an N'wah and the only person to be glad to see Nerevar again.

Really, all the recent memes aside, Dagoth should never have been a villain. If Bathesda ever remakes Morrowing, they should give us the option to side with him and drive the empire out.

[Carolus Magnus]

He might not be a good guy, but he certainly is a good villain. And good villains have appeal too.

[Terron]

Originally posted by Carolus Magnus:

He might not be a good guy, but he certainly is a good villain. And good villains have appeal too.

He is the only villain who trats you respect, but probably only because you are the Nerevarine.

[JonWoo]

Originally posted by Terron:

Originally posted by Valden21:

The problem with Dagoth Ur is what he's been doing SINCE the Battle of Red Mountain. Among other things, he's been using his lieutenants as a means to spread various diseases, including Corprus Disease, which is basically a zombie plague. He's also been having them brainwash members of society into being his sleeper agents/assassins. Another thing he wants to do is to turn Morrowind into a theocracy that worships Alulakhan, the ginourmous brass golem he's been building; he controls that thing, so he would essentially be the one in charge. Finally, he doesn't just want to drive out the Empire, he wants to drive out ALL outsiders. That means everyone except for Dunmer who were born in Morrowind. It's not enough for him if you're a Dunmer; if you were born somewhere else, that makes you an outsider in his eyes. Not to mention that he's been working with terrorists, the Cammona Tong, to meet that last goal.

So although his origin as the bad guy of the game is shrouded in mystery, and may even have been false, it TURNED real over time.

There is nothing really wrong with driving out all Outlanders. Half of Tamriel is basically being colonized by Humans, who are not even native to Tamriel and the Redguards themselves have no outlanders because they murdered all of them.

The redguards are outlanders themselves.

[Thermal Lance]

Originally posted by Terron:

Originally posted by Carolus Magnus:

He might not be a good guy, but he certainly is a good villain. And good villains have appeal too.

He is the only villain who trats you respect, but probably only because you are the Nerevarine.

And probably only because "you" got as much reason as him to hate the Tribunal.

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by AspectEmperor:

Also if I am right isn't he the reason why the Imperials are in Morrowind?

No. Empire came into morrowind way after dagoth Ur was "killed". He wants to drive the empire out.

The empire is in morrowind because Tiber septim was going to invade morrowind. Vivec however instead gave Tiber septim the numidium (giant robot mech) to make a truce so he doesn't invade morrowind for the numidium and discover the heart of lorkhan. Vivec figured he wouldn't be able to get it running, but didn't know zurin arctus was a shezzarine and could power it using his own soul.

So morrowind joined the empire but got to keep a bunch of its own laws like slavery and whatnot because that was part of the truce.

[psychotron666]

Dagoth Ur is basically the Master from fallout. He wants to unite the entire world under his control. He can preach a good game of doing to for peace but is doing it by force and basically doesn't want free will for others.

[The Flying Rodent]

Originally posted by Terron:

Originally posted by Carolus Magnus:

He might not be a good guy, but he certainly is a good villain. And good villains have appeal too.

He is the only villain who trats you respect, but probably only because you are the Nerevarine.

He's also batsh*t insane, and thinks he's the Godhead.

Dagoth Ur's an interesting grey character for sure but he's most definitely a villain, exploiting the disenfranchisement of the Dark Elves as an excuse for effectively genocide. I wonder what historical figure this particular plot point was inspired by...

[Valden21]

Bottom line: Dagoth Ur's status as a villain may have been questionable at first, but SINCE the Battle of Red Mountain, his actions have resulted in him gleefully doing a high-dive down the slippery slope. However he may have started, he's now a full-blown villain, one as bad as he claims the Tribunal to be. His actions have shown that, repeatedly.

[Alvin Flang]

I'm not convinced OP played the game.

[theo]

I mean it's perfectly in line with modern cultural mainstream to claim that spreading blight that enslaves people and makes them grow tentacles on their heads isn't necessarily evil

[Silhouette]

He's a tragic backstory villain, A 'good' guy up until the events after the battle for red mountain, who is now the antagonist of the game. And who now employs nefarious means and may have gone crazy in the head. Kind of like a faithful dog that gets infected with rabies and attacks family. You know hes more then what he is now but still gotta put him down.

Its also why I always kill Vivec. Just as much a villain.

He last sought to protect his friend the neverines dying wish and keep the tools away from the tribunal, acting honorably and faithfully. And now wants to drive them back since hes at war with them. Over time his goals for fighting back against the tribunal have morphed and changed. As for his methods and goals, they are a mix of 'good'/'bad'. When you are trying to overthrow a government you feel is wrong you dont go recruit the 'good' guys. Heck even the founders of USA where considered traitors and criminals and recruited pirates to act on their behalf.

He's not pure evil, or in the wrong for what drove him to this point of what he seeks to do, but his actions now are twisted. He was grievously wronged, and was then powerless to right that wrong, kept trapped and unable to strike back at those that inflicted that upon him face to face, and then turned to using whatever means he could.

[Avroveks]

in general it’s true, the only one who kept his word and did not allow the freak from the tribunal to get to Lorkhan’s heart but he's out of his mind.

[Avroveks]

Originally posted by Silhouette:

Its also why I always kill Vivec. Just as much a villain.

this cannot be done because Vivec's power holds the Ministry of Truth

as we know, after Vivec disappeared, the Ministry of Truth destroyed Vvardenfell. And if you kill him, then it should happen right at this moment.

With this character's death, the thread of prophecy is severed. Restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, or persist in the doomed world you have created.

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by Boshiken:

Dagoth seems like Thanos

killed all Dwarves - but 1

Weapons made by Dwarves - you can only use with a Gauntlet

maybe there are good Intentions - like saving the Universe

Dagoth didn't kill the dwarves, they did that to themselves.

Also thanos didn't have good intentions, he did it to impress lady death who we was in love with.

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by Avroveks:

Originally posted by Silhouette:

Its also why I always kill Vivec. Just as much a villain.

this cannot be done because Vivec's power holds the Ministry of Truth

as we know, after Vivec disappeared, the Ministry of Truth destroyed Vvardenfell. And if you kill him, then it should happen right at this moment.

With this character's death, the thread of prophecy is severed. Restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, or persist in the doomed world you have created.

No it doesn't work that way. In the official elder scrolls book the infernal city where morrowind being destroyed was first put into canon, the magic holding the ministry was slowly fading. So a guy created a machine that used people's souls to maintain it floating, and they held it there for many years after. One of the character's from the books broke in to save his wife who's soul they were using and destroyed the machinery, that dispersed all the magic and caused it to fall at its full momentum, destroying vivec city.