Dagoth Ur and endgame.

[Nightweaver20xx]

So I just beat the MQ for the first time in about 10 years, and I forgot how HARD Dagoth Ur hits. I was charging through all the crater citadels with Sunder and a ton of enchanted equipment at LEVEL 35 for god's sake, wiping out Dagoth this and that left and right and center, no problem. THEN I get to the big man at the end and he starts taking 1/4 to 1/3 of my life bar every hit (and this is with almost 300 HP!). Needless to say, I did eventually win, but I had to chug every health potion I had and use every single one of the Heart items at the same time just to survive him after I destroyed the Heart of Lorkhan.

Game difficulty was set to +20, for anyone curious. Like I said, my level was 35, which I thought was WAY overleveled for the MQ endgame. Thoughts?

[Lobo de hielo]

First congratulations.
You did the right thing, kill all the Ash Vampires/ dagoths as each one dead reduces his attributes by 5.
Then chug health potions. No real right or wrong way to kill him.

[meheezen]

"What a fool you are, how can you kill a God, a GOD!
What a grand and intoxicating innocence, how can you be so naive?"

yep, Dagoth Ur is hard.
i wonder how you'll do against Almalexia or even the man God Vivec.

lvl35 is overleveled if playing on normal difficulty, at high difficulty they hit pretty hard

[Lobo de hielo]

Originally posted by meheezen:

"What a fool you are, how can you kill a God, a GOD!
What a grand and intoxicating innocence, how can you be so naive?"

yep, Dagoth Ur is hard.
i wonder how you'll do against Almalexia or even the man God Vivec.

lvl35 is overleveled if playing on normal difficulty, at high difficulty they hit pretty hard

Well the OP was playing at +20 so pretty good. I have finished between level 20 to 30 before but level 20 was hard.
Even though Mournhold is very difficult compared to the main quest, you do have a game breaking spell you can buy.

[th]

It was so easy for me that I am kind of disappointed.

Last time I did this like 19 years ago or so, so I didn't remember much about that fight. So it was my universal set of gear. I prepared nothing special for the fight.

And of coz it was maximum difficulty.

I enchanted all my stuff to Restore Health as much as I could. My gear list is not the most enchantable. I use glass armor and some of the exquisite clothes. I don't use robe and skirt for example. And I need to spent some enchantment points to some other useful stuff like Water Breathing and Night Eye.

In total it's about 9 HP per second of Restore Health effect in average.

You always need an item with constant Levitate effect. I have a ring with 8 pt.

And you often have to deal with Damage Attribute effect. It's very impractical to go to temple shrine every time. It's actually very easy to solve this problem. Using exquisite ring or amulet you can make an enchantment as high as 69 pt cast when used of Restore Attribute effect for all 8 attributes in one item. Very cheap effect.

My attacking item is an exquisite amulet with 2 spells:
1) 1-61 Restore Health on Self for 3 seconds.
2) 11-100 Fire (or Frost, Shock is more expensive) Damage on Target for 3 seconds.

With constant 9 Restore Health on average from gear enchantments and 31 (1-61) Restore Health on average from an attacking amulet I have 40 pts Restore Health constantly. It's exactly the same amount you get from Exclusive Restore Health potion.

So you don't need any potions to heal yourself coz you practically have Exclusive Restore Health potion as a constant effect.

Now all you need to do is to leviate a little away from the ground using that levitate ring, so he can not hit you melee. In such case he will use his spell. Use Restore Attributes item to restore your damaged attributes every time he hits you, you can fly so evade most of his spells, and use an attacking amulet to burn his ass.

He died after like 3 hits. Very disappointing.

There are harder opponents than Dagoth Ur. Vivec, Umbra, Bolvin Venim, Lich from small officail plugin Siege at Firemoth. That's all I've encountered for now.

2-3 guards (Ordinators are the best) or Dremoras or Golden Saints could kill my ass much more easier. Except for Levitate effect of coz.

[The Flying Rodent]

Originally posted by th:

It was so easy for me that I am kind of disappointed.

(goes on to describe multiple enchanted custom items that either cost millions of dollars to purchase from enchanters, or require fortifying one's attributes/skills into the 1000's to make)

That would be because you have some nice enchantments...

https://en.uesp.net/morrow/monsters/mwmonsters.shtml

If you're not geared or levelled out the arse, Dagoth Ur is quite a step up in difficulty from his kin. His melee attacks are significantly stronger than just about anything else in the base game; for comparisons you're looking to Umbra or Ascended Sleepers (Vivec hits like a truck even more so than Dagoth Ur, but he takes a while to burn through his spells). If you're not prepared, he will slap you.

That said, if you 'are' prepared, he's a walk in the park, and markedly easier than most of the boss creatures found in the Expansion packs (which is by design, as the idea behind the Expansions is to attempt them 'after' completing the main game).

300HP is around about 'mid-level HP' in the grand scheme of things. Characters typically cap out in levels (and thus HP) around level 70, or 600-700 HP. Of course, all Major/Minor skills need to be trained to 100 to get there, and so a lot of people are content playing the Expansions at level 50-60 and levelling things more naturally (rather than paying for training to get everything to 100).

[Nightweaver20xx]

Btw I'm currently playing Tribunal at level 36, not sure how rough that's going to be for me once I come up against the final bosses.

[Lobo de hielo]

Originally posted by Nightweaver20xx:

Btw I'm currently playing Tribunal at level 36, not sure how rough that's going to be for me once I come up against the final bosses.

You will have put on quite a few levels by then, plus better weapons/ gear.
There are some very tough fights ahead though.
Do not want to spoil your fun, but one thing Mournhold has , quite easy to find :
In Mournhold you can buy a spell Fortify Skill, it is there to help because Amalexia and co can be hard

[Nightweaver20xx]

36 ain't gonna cut it, eh? OK I shall go grind some before finishing the DLC.

[Lobo de hielo]

Originally posted by Nightweaver20xx:

36 ain't gonna cut it, eh? OK I shall go grind some before finishing the DLC.

No your level is fine. I meant by the time you meet the end "boss/s, you will have gained quite a few levels from doing all the quests in Mournhold.

[Nightweaver20xx]

You know, the really funny thing is that, years ago, I never really did much of either DLC without cheats on, because back then, I was an impatient kid fresh out of college who just wanted to mess around and kill everyone in the game. I can count on one hand the number of times I've even been in Mournhold or Solstheim without god mode activated, this current run included. And I've never completed either DLC in 18 years.

[Central]

Originally posted by Nightweaver20xx:

You know, the really funny thing is that, years ago, I never really did much of either DLC without cheats on, because back then, I was an impatient kid fresh out of college who just wanted to mess around and kill everyone in the game. I can count on one hand the number of times I've even been in Mournhold or Solstheim without god mode activated, this current run included. And I've never completed either DLC in 18 years.

with cheats there is less sense of achievement when you do something big, so you lose interest a lot faster. this could explain why you never completed the dlc.