Skyrim is better. Get over it.

[Ruenis]

Love the idea, hate the game. Played Morrowind on the OG Xbox and PC. It was sh!t then, and it's sh!t now.

"But Morrowind's combat isn't terrible", you know, because a working parry/stagger/knockdown system and the necessity of player skill pales in comparison to essentially playing Triple Triad from Final Fantasy 9 every time you encounter a hostile being. "Oh, but you can chop, slash, and thrust", so variating your damage output essentially changes that you're blankly standing in front of any opposition praying to RNGesus... /argumentpoint

"The quests are better in Morrowind", of course, because watching as an NPC struggles to follow me in overcoming the insurmountable hurdle of walking straight takes an acquired taste to appreciate as opposed to smooth sailing through Bleak Falls Barrow with Faendal/Uthgerd the Unbroken/Benor close behind picking up the slack should I miss anything, completely commandable through holding "Activate" with the crosshair on them so I can pinpoint where they should wait if traps are nearby. Forgive me. I left out the clearly superior Morrowind dialogue that for some reason couldn't be voice acted even though literally every NPC has an actual voice. "I just don't understand true quality." /sarcasm

"Magic is better in Morrowind", because I can create the same "fireball" that does "every bad thing" for 24 minutes in a 50 foot radius when in Skyrim they had to hold back on letting you craft spells because if they didn't you could customize everything from area of detonation to whether or not it is emitted or thrown or sprayed in a gout to whether it's an innate power you can activate whenever or with cooldown to if said spell moves the player or increases the player's movement speed or someone else's speed or duplicates an enemy or burst summons creatures or force pulls enemies to your hands or pulls enemies away at towards its detonation point or imbues your fists with magic or causes you to leave a trail of destruction like you're playing fcuking Castlevania: Lament of Innocence or throws your enemy instantly with a sub-category of in which direction to be thrown or at what trajectory or what object to use as a "spell" that shouldn't do damage but would do damage in all unlimited and insane creativity..

Did I mention they pulled spell crafting from Skyrim because everyone would break their games? Oh, right, it was totally possible to enable levitation in Skyrim from day 1, except being able to fly over everything is p!ss poor for difficulty, gasp (so we got dragon taming).

"The world setting is better", because Skyrim never gave off the sense that you were surviving a harsh environment when most of it is snow and places that look horribly cold. It's clearly worse in Morrowind when everyone for miles is more so living in a humid-to-hot climate as opposed to a frostbitten tundra. Of course Morrowind is better because the entire world is my storage chest, so I can leave all of my sh!t in the middle of volcano territory and expect to find all of it 10 real life years later in a vigorously played save. "Morrowind features no fast travel, which is a problem in Skyrim because I can't honor my own code of not fast travelling or at the minimal least including or merging in a patch that disables fast travel." Also, "fast travel is for plebs", when real men accept the fact that their only save file is near an unbeatable hurdle that kills them every reload. Nah, just kidding, since everything in Morrowind has a stick up its a$$ and can't catch you for sh!t when your character has been walking and jumping for 133,225 real life days. "The realism takes me back..." /nostalgia

Skyrim is better, and so good they're remaking Morrowind and Oblivion in its engine. Get over yourselves.

"Morrowind's got a rap!st Dremora!"

I'm dying to hear good arguments for both why mods are a detriment and, hypocritically enough, why a game with over 4,700 mods with 13.2 million downloads blows a game with near 100,000 mods and over 1.3 billion downloads out of the water. I'll ride with freedom, thanks.

Laughing at you from behind my werewolf concubines in my fully customizable mansion.

[Relinquished001]

BULLY HUNTER_77@ původně napsal:

Legendäres Ebenholzross původně napsal:

I dont find the assassins to be a problem, I know its a major reason people quit tho, they cannot kill them early on, sometimes people just choose pre generated classes without knowing they are literal filth.

Well I hope they know you could just sleep in an inn instead of standing outside for 10 hours.

That doesnt stop assassins from spawning you know.

[pfcole]

@ The Burning One: Sometimes the liberal need to be correct (I was going to say "right"... ha, ha, ha) drives them to be selective (bias) in their quotes of your work.

[League of Legends]

Legendäres Ebenholzross původně napsal:

BULLY HUNTER_77@ původně napsal:

Well I hope they know you could just sleep in an inn instead of standing outside for 10 hours.

That doesnt stop assassins from spawning you know.

thats gay.

[Relinquished001]

BULLY HUNTER_77@ původně napsal:

Legendäres Ebenholzross původně napsal:

That doesnt stop assassins from spawning you know.

thats gay.

On xbox, assassins do stop spawning, but on pc, they spawn til you complete the first quest for tribunal expansion

[p0mpous]

BULLY HUNTER_77@ původně napsal:

qubeman původně napsal:

can we all just accept the middle ground, Oblivion, as the champion of the TES series and get over this petty little arguement once and for all?????? jesus we're fighting like 5 year olds over which power ranger is the best

Lmao skyrims better than oblivion, oblivions fun iss ruined by the fact that combat is not a viable option in the game, bullet sponge enemies ruin the fun and the rest of the story, and blatant voice acting left in instead of being cut out, skyrims 2nd best and morrowind is the #1 elderscrolls game.

Oblivion is better then Skyrim, the fact is that in Skyrim you dont even get recognition for what you do, you can be a Legate and still get treated like ♥♥♥♥ by Imperial guards, you can kill Alduin a feat that would make you world famous and no one gives a ♥♥♥♥ and treats you like crap, Skyrim is the definition of a shallow game with no attention to detail, depth or thought, the fact is i can play vanilla Oblivion and Morrowind and still immerse myself, Skyrim breaks the immersion when i remember that i can join the Dark brotherhood kill the Imperial emporer then that 5 mins later stroll up the steps to the capital and join the imperial legion.

There are no consequences, it isnt a world, its a theme park where nothing you do matters, its not a good game, its a modding platform for people to try and make it a good game.

For me between Daggerfall and Morrowind, its a toss up, it depends what you like for me it depends what mood im in.

1st Morrowind
close 2nd Daggerfall

Then theres a big gap

3. Oblivion

Then theres a vast chasm

4. Skyrim
5. Arena

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Joshyx původně napsal:

Legendäres původně napsal:

a remaster is to make new, or improve quality, and mgso accomplishes both those things

It doesn't "make new," though, it just overhauls the graphics and installs some mods.

A remaster would involve updating the game to a new engine, modernizing the graphics, while still keeping the gameplay more or less the same.

MGSO is good, but it can only push the game's engine so far, not to mention each graphical advancement costs more processing power than it would for, say, Skyrim. It's simply an inefficient engine for graphics.

A remaster would push the graphics up to Skyrim Special Edition while still keeping the gameplay the same dice-roll system that gives Morrowind its appeal. And probably make the game Steamworks compatible, while they're at it.

My point is, people would still complain about it because they love to complain - because being unhappy but "right" is better than being happy but wrong about something for once.

I for one would love a Morrowind Remaster, actually, not because I think Morrowind needs it, but it would bring the game back a bit and get the mod scene started up full force again. However, I also have no delusions that Morrowind fanboys would actually like Morrowind remastered - they'd complain about every single little change it makes, including the graphics.

Because that happens with every remaster even in fanbases that aren't so nearly as hate-filled as this one.

If they do that then they need to make sure to not change a single mechanic, no stream lining anything, 100% Morrowind with just a graphical touch up, same combat, same leveling same everything with a physics engine, nothing else.

[LurdFalcunPOONCH]

Sir Det Mist původně napsal:

Joshyx původně napsal:

It doesn't "make new," though, it just overhauls the graphics and installs some mods.

A remaster would involve updating the game to a new engine, modernizing the graphics, while still keeping the gameplay more or less the same.

MGSO is good, but it can only push the game's engine so far, not to mention each graphical advancement costs more processing power than it would for, say, Skyrim. It's simply an inefficient engine for graphics.

A remaster would push the graphics up to Skyrim Special Edition while still keeping the gameplay the same dice-roll system that gives Morrowind its appeal. And probably make the game Steamworks compatible, while they're at it.

My point is, people would still complain about it because they love to complain - because being unhappy but "right" is better than being happy but wrong about something for once.

I for one would love a Morrowind Remaster, actually, not because I think Morrowind needs it, but it would bring the game back a bit and get the mod scene started up full force again. However, I also have no delusions that Morrowind fanboys would actually like Morrowind remastered - they'd complain about every single little change it makes, including the graphics.

Because that happens with every remaster even in fanbases that aren't so nearly as hate-filled as this one.

If they do that then they need to make sure to not change a SINGLE MECHANIC
SAME COMBAT

pls no

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LordFalconPUNCH původně napsal:

Sir Det Mist původně napsal:

If they do that then they need to make sure to not change a SINGLE MECHANIC
SAME COMBAT

pls no

Skywind will suck just like Skyrim, its Skyrim with some paint, its not Morrowind with a face and technology lift, Skyrim isnt superior in any single way from a design point of view, all the improvements are because of technological progression, Morrowind is an RPG, Skyrim is a mod platfrom, they wont remaster Morrowind but if they do they should only add a physics engine and make it look better aswell as make it in a more modern engine but other then that leave the features as they are, they should also add in the main land of Morrowind to the game since it was originally going to be in the game.

Morrowinds combat is actually more complex, Skyrim just looks at weapon damage and enemy armor, Morrowind looks at weapon damage, enemy armor, Weapon skill, enemy armor skill, both of your Agility, both of your stamina, what attack you used, luck and weapon condition, then it look at any enchantments since they have a damge range it also looks at skill that effects that.

Morrowind is far more complex, as i said, any improvements in Skyrim are merely technology not design, it is an inferior game from the standpoint of a game, if you could make Morrowind with the same technology as Skyrim then no one would play Skyrim.

So no quest marker, combat that is based on character skill and attributes, a class system, a journal system that gives detailed descriptions and information and text based dialogue since its just better (voice actiong puts huge limits on the amount you cant write and therefore the amount of informations you can convey and how detailed it can be), the amount of voice acting is Morrowind is about right, Radiant AI would be cool but other then that there is nothing Skyrim has to offer that will improve Morrowind from a game design point of view and i mean nothing.

This is Skyrim in a nutshell, spam key to skip dialogue, chase marker, hit use key, get reward then repeat, you dont need to think, you dont need to pay attention, the game play itself for the most part, Morrowind makes you play it, it keeps you engaged, you cant relaly auto pilot Morrowind unless you have played it a lot and know where everything is, ive played far more then my steam account says, ive probably put over a 1000 hours into it and i can auto pilot it but most people cant.

[Wolfeh]

[This post is directed at OP]

I think it's hilarious that people are so passionate about this, my friends and I just discuss the games we like or dislike, explain why, and that's that, I don't understand why certain people talk about video games as if we're speaking about politics. It's one thing to have favorites, another to be hyperventalating because someone isn't a favorite of your favorite game.

In the end: It's, a, game. Your life doesn't depend on it, the world isn't going to end over someone disliking it or preferring another over it. Go out and get a breath of fresh air every once and a while. Jesus.

[Glorified Toaster With Legs]

Yeah, I agree with most of this.


But Morrowind came out in 2002

[The Burning One]

sardine původně napsal:

Yeah, I agree with most of this.


But Morrowind came out in 2002 :fishman:

What does year have to do with anything

[Relinquished001]

The Burning One původně napsal:

sardine původně napsal:

Yeah, I agree with most of this.


But Morrowind came out in 2002 :fishman:

What does year have to do with anything

If skyrim came out in 2002, itd be like morrowind, thats what were saying

[The Burning One]

Legendäres Ebenholzross původně napsal:

The Burning One původně napsal:

What does year have to do with anything

If skyrim came out in 2002, itd be like morrowind, thats what were saying

More or less I guess the only difference would be the country I guess

[Honking Capabilities]

LOL troll harder next time. If you're being serious...well, you're definitely the target audience for games like skyrim and fallout 4. I'll leave it at that.

[LurdFalcunPOONCH]

arclightshock37 původně napsal:

LOL troll harder next time. If you're being serious...well, you're definitely the target audience for games like skyrim and fallout 4. I'll leave it at that.

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