Can someone explain me this about lore ?

[selewi]

Why does the temple wants to kill Nerevarine ? As far as I know, Almsivi, which is the three demi-gods from tribunal, Almalexia, Sotha Sil and Vivec sided with Lord Indoril Nerevar in the first council war and then created the temple when he died so... Why do they want to kill "false incarnates" ?

[GMҞ]

The Tribunal originally killed Nerevar because they wanted to use the Heart of Lorkahn to become gods. They're not aligned with Nerevar anymore. They've also denied worship of the three good Daedra and instead have the Dunmer worship the Tribunal, Nerevar was the champion of Azura and agreed to never use the Tools on the Heart. Killing Nerevar(ines) would mean denying Azura's prophecy and prevents Nerevar from returning for a time.

[Smoking_Tiger]

Originally posted by GMҞ:

The Tribunal originally killed Nerevar because they wanted to use the Heart of Lorkahn to become gods. They're not aligned with Nerevar anymore. They've also denied worship of the three good Daedra and instead have the Dunmer worship the Tribunal, Nerevar was the champion of Azura and agreed to never use the Tools on the Heart. Killing Nerevar(ines) would mean denying Azura's prophecy and prevents Nerevar from returning for a time.

^ that. The Tribunal demigods betrayed Lord Nerevar because they wanted power. They wanted to use the forbidden super weapons of the dwemer to control the world. Nerevar told them no, so they murdered him and dagoth ur, originally Nerevar's final ally after the betrayal, locked himself away with the weapons beneath the mountain to fulfil his fallen leader's dying wish. But, the shear power of the Heart corrupted Dagoth Ur, and the tribunal grew bitter in their lust for power. years later, Nerevar is reincarnated. (although, the main quest can make you realize that you actually might not be the nerevarine, just a skilled warrior/mage/adventurer who got dealt a lucky hand). Then the supposed Nerevarine returns, reunites the Tribunal (whom he is cautiously unaware betrayed him in the past), and destroys a hollow, corrupted Dagoth Ur.

[Smoking_Tiger]

So, you can have many perspectives: Dagoth Ur is the bad guy, kill him even though he was good. Leave the tribunal go, as they have been reunited and made whole once more with the return of Nerevar and the death of dagoth ur. (this is the cannon ending to the main quest). OR, Let Dagoth Ur live, as he is still good at heart (he discusses this in his dialogue to the Nerevarine), and simply corrupted. The return of Nerevar might help Dagoth Ur recover and be who he once was, and let the 6th house be reborn. Kill the tribunal and exact revenge, as well as end the tyranny their corruption created in Vvardenfall. OR, Kill them all. Dagoth Ur was once good, but has now become a corrupted shell of his former self. Kill him. The tribunal is corrupt. Kill them as well, and therefore eliminate all major sources of corruption within the houses and thus, technically liberate Vvardenfall. That's why I love this game- excellent replayability and it makes you think and make some hard, game world changing decisions.

[JoshKillin]

Originally posted by SideWinder98:

The Tribunal demigods betrayed Lord Nerevar because they wanted power. They wanted to use the forbidden super weapons of the dwemer to control the world. Nerevar told them no, so they murdered him and dagoth ur, originally Nerevar's final ally after the betrayal.

I think that's just the Ashlander side of the story. If you speak to Vivec about it, he says Almalexia, Sotha Sil, and he broke their pact with Azura and chose to use Kagrenac's Tools to become living Gods in order to be closer to their people, and to help them more than the more or less out-of-the-picture "real" gods. Vivec also said that Nerevar was killed by Dumac in the battle at Red Mountain, and not murdered by the Tribunal. Personally, I don't think the Tribunal are all that corrupt (Vivec at least), but I do tend to believe the Ashlander side of the story a little more than the Tribunal side of it. Its a lot less black and white, and more for the player to decide what story they believe, as we will never know what REALLY happened at Red Mountain.

Edit: To answer OP, I think the Tribunal wanted to have the Nerevarine killed because the prophecy says he is supposed to destroy the heart of Lorkhan, which is the source of the Tribunal's power. With the heart destroyed, the Tribunal will become mortal again and eventually die, so you can choose to see this as evidence of the Tribunal's corruption, or that they would prefer to live forever to help the people of Vvardenfell (Vivec, at least). Before the Nerevarine goes to defeat Dagoth Ur at Red Mountain, Vivec even admits he was wrong to persecute the Nerevarine, and orders the ordinators to leave the Dissident Priests and the Nerevarine Cult alone, so I don't think Vivec is really all that corrupt.

[Guts]

Originally posted by SideWinder98:

you actually might not be the nerevarine, just a skilled warrior/mage/adventurer who got dealt a lucky hand

The way I interpret it is that anyone COULD be the nerevarine, but the person who actually destroys the heart of Lorkhan, ends the blight, and gets revenge upon the tribunal IS the nerevarine. Azura did the classic daedra move and put no power into her prophecy. She just said some things to scare the tribunal, knowing that eventually the cycles of time would cause their downfall. It reminds me of a short story where people build a machine to predict the future and the machine predicts doom, so the people do everything they can to stop the impending doom, but the machine just predicts the world will end faster every time they try to do something about it. Much like the tribunal killing possible nerevarines, the people in the story failed to see how they were causing their own demise.

Also sorry for the necro, but I had to because steam doesn't have nobump, and Morrowind lore is so deep that I think every angle needs to be explored and googleable for the majority of people to begin taking that deep dive.

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by N473:

Originally posted by SideWinder98:

you actually might not be the nerevarine, just a skilled warrior/mage/adventurer who got dealt a lucky hand

The way I interpret it is that anyone COULD be the nerevarine, but the person who actually destroys the heart of Lorkhan, ends the blight, and gets revenge upon the tribunal IS the nerevarine. Azura did the classic daedra move and put no power into her prophecy. She just said some things to scare the tribunal, knowing that eventually the cycles of time would cause their downfall. It reminds me of a short story where people build a machine to predict the future and the machine predicts doom, so the people do everything they can to stop the impending doom, but the machine just predicts the world will end faster every time they try to do something about it. Much like the tribunal killing possible nerevarines, the people in the story failed to see how they were causing their own demise.

Also sorry for the necro, but I had to because steam doesn't have nobump, and Morrowind lore is so deep that I think every angle needs to be explored and googleable for the majority of people to begin taking that deep dive.

There's even a quest for the temple where they send you to stop a false incarnate and the quest giver even says if he won't stop, kill him, as if he is the nerevarine, he's protected by prophecy and you won't be able to kill him.

It's kind of why vivec sends the temple after you, but immediately allies with you the second you get named hortator and nerevarine by the great houses and Ashlanders. The hit on you is to prove you're not the nerevarine or you are the nerevarine. Making it to the last trials while being hunted is basically the closest way to prove you're the nerevarine or not.

[Lobo de hielo]

Lord Indoril Nerevar, was the Chimeri king of Resdayn (modern-day Morrowind).
He forged an alliance with the Dwemer, he then took the title First Councilor and united all the peoples of Resadyn.
The alliance eventually broke down, which led to the War of the First Council.
He led the Chimer to victory at the Battle of Red Mountain, but he died shortly after under disputed circumstances.
His early life is based on myth, but "Lorkhan states that Nerevar is the son of Boethiah, one of the strongest Padomaics,"

There is some great lore here: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nerevar

Find things out like Almalexia had been his wife.

I believe the "Tools of Kagrenac" corrupted Almalexia, Sotha Sil and Vivec to the point they wished to become immortal, even though all of them had made an oath to Azura.
The Neverar was the only one who would keep his oath so they killed him.
You just have to look at the fact that the Nerevar's wife Almalexia then became the Consort of her fellow Tribune Vivec and Azura cursed them saying The Neverar would return and punish them.

So they come after you at the beginning thinking you might be weak, but once your power starts rising and others start supporting you, they decide that if they ask for your help in defeating Dagoth Ur, one you might get killed or second they can turn round and say "see we helped you and we are mortal again, please dont hurt us".
So in the game, you want to kill them, why not.

[Guts]

Originally posted by psychotron666:

There's even a quest for the temple where they send you to stop a false incarnate and the quest giver even says if he won't stop, kill him, as if he is the nerevarine, he's protected by prophecy and you won't be able to kill him.

But that's my point. The prophesy is a joke on the tribunal to make them be the cause of their own demise. If everyone just forgot about the prophesy, then the empire wouldn't have looked for you and found you in prison. You never would have been brought to morrowind. The tribunal could have ruled forever. They had divinity, they had the tools of kagrenac, and dagoth ur would have been nothing to them. The sharmat is powerful, but it isn't CHIM. If the tribunal had used their powers to just wipe the memory of nerevar from mundus, then the prophesy would be harmless and dagoth ur would have no reason to seek vengeance.

Originally posted by slayor3000:

So they come after you at the beginning thinking you might be weak, but once your power starts rising and others start supporting you, they decide that if they ask for your help in defeating Dagoth Ur

I think they really wanted to kill you but couldn't because it would cause a revolt among the ashlanders. You started as an imperial agent, and didn't get noticed by the tribunal until after you had the protection of the clans following you as moon-and-star. Killing you publicly would have been like killing the second coming of elf Jesus. It would have caused a war.

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by N473:

Originally posted by psychotron666:

There's even a quest for the temple where they send you to stop a false incarnate and the quest giver even says if he won't stop, kill him, as if he is the nerevarine, he's protected by prophecy and you won't be able to kill him.

But that's my point. The prophesy is a joke on the tribunal to make them be the cause of their own demise. If everyone just forgot about the prophesy, then the empire wouldn't have looked for you and found you in prison. You never would have been brought to morrowind. The tribunal could have ruled forever. They had divinity, they had the tools of kagrenac, and dagoth ur would have been nothing to them. The sharmat is powerful, but it isn't CHIM. If the tribunal had used their powers to just wipe the memory of nerevar from mundus, then the prophesy would be harmless and dagoth ur would have no reason to seek vengeance.

Originally posted by slayor3000:

So they come after you at the beginning thinking you might be weak, but once your power starts rising and others start supporting you, they decide that if they ask for your help in defeating Dagoth Ur

I think they really wanted to kill you but couldn't because it would cause a revolt among the ashlanders. You started as an imperial agent, and didn't get noticed by the tribunal until after you had the protection of the clans following you as moon-and-star. Killing you publicly would have been like killing the second coming of elf Jesus. It would have caused a war.

Nah tribunal were screwed way before though. Dagoth ur captured almalexia and sotha sil and stole their tools and stopped them from going to the heart every year to re up their powers.
Without the nerevarine the tribunal would be screwed. It was out of desperation that vivec wanted the nerevarine to be real, but he wouldn't help the nerevarine until he was sure it was them.

[Lobo de hielo]

I always felt sorry for Daguth Ur, he was always loyal to the Neverar, but the "tools" ended up corrupting him as well.
Keep on being tempted to play one of the mods that let you join the 6th House, but they have always been known to be a bit buggy.
Great House Dagoth might be more to my liking as it treats Dagoth Ur as being no more evil than the Tribunal is good.
While Endrek's Sixth House Mod, they are evil.

[Turtleswatter]

Originally posted by slayor3000:

I always felt sorry for Daguth Ur, he was always loyal to the Neverar, but the "tools" ended up corrupting him as well.
Keep on being tempted to play one of the mods that let you join the 6th House, but they have always been known to be a bit buggy.
Great House Dagoth might be more to my liking as it treats Dagoth Ur as being no more evil than the Tribunal is good.
While Endrek's Sixth House Mod, they are evil.

That's what I always loved about the Morrowind plotline. Playing it through, as you became more aware of the dubious things the Tribunal did to achieve Godhood, and the lengths they went to, to bury the accusations against them, you start to wonder if you're on the right side.

[󰀉tempeh󰀉]

Eh, Dagoth Ur's trying to depose the Tribunal through a reign of terror, build a new walking Tower to replace Numidium, and bring the 6th House Cult to the rest of the world. At best he's as tyrannical as Tiber Septim creating the 3rd Empire with the aid of Numidium, but with more slavery and cancer-zombies.

[Lobo de hielo]

Originally posted by 󰀉tempeh󰀉:

Eh, Dagoth Ur's trying to depose the Tribunal through a reign of terror, build a new walking Tower to replace Numidium, and bring the 6th House Cult to the rest of the world. At best he's as tyrannical as Tiber Septim creating the 3rd Empire with the aid of Numidium, but with more slavery and cancer-zombies.

And so he should!
They murdered his Lord and best friend Lord Neverar, they betrayed Azura for there own greed and power. They turned themselves into gods and perverted the Neverarines wishes and plans for all the peoples of Resadyn (Morrowind).
The Tribunal turned against there own gods. Forced Daguth Ur into action.
Yes the Tools have corrupted him now and he has become extremely Xenophobic.
But all he is doing in his own mind is following what Azura wants. Azura is the one that "cursed", Sotha Sil, Vivec and Amalexia and told them the Nevarine would return and punish them all.
He is "punishing" them while waiting for his Lord and best friend to return. Hoping that he will join him now he should realise what they have done to him and his beloved land and people.

[Valden21]

Originally posted by slayor3000:

Originally posted by 󰀉tempeh󰀉:

Eh, Dagoth Ur's trying to depose the Tribunal through a reign of terror, build a new walking Tower to replace Numidium, and bring the 6th House Cult to the rest of the world. At best he's as tyrannical as Tiber Septim creating the 3rd Empire with the aid of Numidium, but with more slavery and cancer-zombies.

And so he should!
They murdered his Lord and best friend Lord Neverar, they betrayed Azura for there own greed and power. They turned themselves into gods and perverted the Neverarines wishes and plans for all the peoples of Resadyn (Morrowind).
The Tribunal turned against there own gods. Forced Daguth Ur into action.
Yes the Tools have corrupted him now and he has become extremely Xenophobic.
But all he is doing in his own mind is following what Azura wants. Azura is the one that "cursed", Sotha Sil, Vivec and Amalexia and told them the Nevarine would return and punish them all.
He is "punishing" them while waiting for his Lord and best friend to return. Hoping that he will join him now he should realise what they have done to him and his beloved land and people.

But here's the thing I don't understand. If Azura TRULY wants Dagoth Ur to be doing this, then why is she helping the Nerevarine? Surely, if Azura wanted Dagoth Ur to succeed, she would be helping him, correct? Then why ISN'T she doing that?

Look, both the Ashlanders and the Tribunal Temple want Dagoth Ur and the Sixth House to fall; that's indisputable. If they're willing to work together on that, that means that they BOTH view Dagoth Ur as a threat. Look at the methods he uses: are those the methods employed by a good guy? No, they're the actions of someone who regards the ends as justifying the means. By the usual rules of fiction, individuals who take that stance are almost always villains. Everything Dagoth Ur says to me resounds with the voice of someone who has lied to themselves, and now fully believes that lie.

[Lobo de hielo]

If you read it, you will have seen I said "in his own mind".
The Nerevarine was always her "champion". She wants the Tribunal punished because they turned against her, murdered her "champion", broke there pledges.
She wants the Nerevarine to punish them, thats up to you as the Nerevarine to decide how.
Daguth Ur has gone mad, corrupted by "Lorkhans heart", you have todecide what to do about it.
That is why you have mods where you can join the 6th House.
The Tribunal are the true "evil" in the game.

You do know Azura in retribution for his death punished the Chimer (Dunmer) by turning there skin gray and there eyes red.