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MaxiBash 2023 年 5 月 28 日 上午 3:59
Does anyone else feel like the game's gotten too boring?
I've been around the game since 2019 (14 days after the release of the final SAGE 2019 demo specifically), but seeing it explode in popularity and seeing how saturated the community has become really changed my view on the game as a whole, with me avoiding the game and the community entirely in some cases.

Does anyone else feel the same way?
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Electrocompay 2023 年 6 月 4 日 下午 4:46 
bro just do mods or do challenges by yourself like cmon man is not that difficult.
how about you just start making ideas and literally use your brain, just like Albert Einstein said: "Imagination opens the gate of the intelligence."

if this comment was rude, please forgive me.
Pan the Sylveon 2023 年 6 月 4 日 下午 5:02 
引用自 Electrocompay
bro just do mods or do challenges by yourself like cmon man is not that difficult.
how about you just start making ideas and literally use your brain, just like Albert Einstein said: "Imagination opens the gate of the intelligence."

if this comment was rude, please forgive me.
Or he can just find smth else to play
Leva the Star 2023 年 6 月 5 日 上午 6:27 
A game not having good replay value doesn't mean it's bad. This was a single player indie game that gave me a good solid 100 hours of playtime but after that, yeah, i guess it did get a bit boring but i had an absolute blast with it. I burned myself out because i wanted to play it forever.
Have you ever heard of achievements you wouldn't accidentally get and P ranks?
MissPosadas 2023 年 6 月 5 日 上午 7:37 
For me, it's the fact that the creator became okay with letting the worst human (Fascists, Nazis and their republican apologists) into the community without an protest. Until the creator starts going after people like "Transphobic Pizza Tower"
Kitsune Dzelda 2023 年 6 月 5 日 上午 7:56 
I think you may not love the game as much as you do the community. Its a social thing thats become more pronounced over the years but has been around since forever. (Such as Sonic, Undertale, Fnaf etc...)
The game itself hasnt changed. Rather what you want to get out of it has.

That said, you dont need people to enjoy a video game. Ive found myself capable of ignoring all of those communities and finding that the games are really just as good as the day I installed them. ^^
Pan the Sylveon 2023 年 6 月 5 日 上午 10:08 
引用自 BioPosadist
For me, it's the fact that the creator became okay with letting the worst human (Fascists, Nazis and their republican apologists) into the community without an protest. Until the creator starts going after people like "Transphobic Pizza Tower"
For me, it's the fact that the creator became okay with letting the worst human (leftist extremists, groomers, creeps) into the discord and made a crazy AF trans "person" an admin who banned people left and right before the creator just deleted the discord completely.
Though that was a few months ago, maybe a different discord exists nowadays but its probably equally as bad. Its why I like the steam forums more than discords or reddit since steam attracts more normal people.

If some based chads bother you to the point where you can't enjoy the game that's a you issue. I still enjoy Pizza Tower despite plenty of people playing it being kids or pro-Ts. ACK!
Bathtub Shitter 2023 年 6 月 5 日 上午 10:26 
Jesus, i had no idea all that was going on in the discord...
Pan the Sylveon 2023 年 6 月 5 日 上午 10:44 
Jesus, i had no idea all that was going on in the discord...
Lefties have an unearned victim complex when it comes to this stuff. If you go against their will you get banned in just about any mainstream community discord/reddit/etc.

The guy isn't mad that "le evil right wingers" aren't banned in social spaces, he is mad that the creator himself doesn't make regular callout posts on twitter disavowing people that make based memes.
Lumios 2023 年 6 月 5 日 下午 12:45 
I do, but I don't interact with the community all that much, rather my problems are about the game itself. I feel like the game has many things it should have had that are missing completely.

I have known about the game for almost as long as you - the SAGE demo was very fun back then, but with that I am not too sure whether I want to buy the full game or not for multiple reasons.

Each time I wanna buy it, there's just something lingering in my mind telling me that I should wait until either it gets updated or it gets dlc... Maybe when it's on sale. In short, I don't feel very compelled.

引用自 Maxfecteau
引用自 Red Hot Pizza
just because the community is bigger doesn't mean the games is worse

I get where he's coming from. I think it's mostly because he's seen this game's entire development and knows it basically inside and out, and it's jarring to see millions of people react to the surface stuff with childlike wonder.

The game didn't get worse, the community just makes it look shallow in comparison to the constant build-hopping of the pre-release fandom.
Hard disagree here, I do think the game has gotten more shallow as time went by and the only thing that keeps it alive are the mods.

Previous builds had Snick and the Noise. I really liked the Noise, he was my favorite of the bunch. His moveset was unique, but he got nerfed repeatedly to keep him to the same level as Peppino, if I recall the issue correctly. Then, he got removed from the game entirely, but at least, the developers will perhaps put him back into the game, so that's a relief.

The new playable character seems more complicated than fun (Also given the fact that making a playable character that's in actuality two different characters à la Ice Climbers can be finnicky) and I personally didn't know that Gustavo was a real character until the full Steam release. I don't think he replaces Snick and the Noise all that well. It doesn't help either that he isn't a standalone character, but is instead a character that replaces Peppino in 2 levels only.

Previous builds had a level editor, where did that go? I would have loved to make my own levels in it, and it would have worked perfectly fine with the Steam workshop.

Several levels were scrapped, and usually that's fine, but the game has a total of 5 levels per floor, including a boss level, which is not all that much. So, all the hard work the developers put into these levels went to waste because they wanted to publish the game on Steam sooner and thus the game is much shorter in length.
For example, there was a circus level planned at some point in development with a fully functioning transformation, but it got relegated to a small room in the hub area.
Additionally, I liked the idea of challenge/gauntlet levels, but they got scrapped too. The Snick.exe challenge from the SAGE demo was tough, but I liked it - It reflected the creative level design of all the levels very well.

The heat meter would have been a neat addition, and I think this is the only time I can blame the community for something because they are seemingly responsible for its removal.

The final boss had a fourth phase where he and Peppino would get very angry at each other, but the final phase is the third phase where Peppino does 4 points of damage to the bosses.

The final judgment is weird too, it functions as a completion tracker rather than what it should be, a little statistics screen. One judgment, the one where Peppino calls the cops on the player, would have been used if the player hurts Peppino too much in the course of the game, and this would have been great to see it work that way.
The reason why this was changed, to my knowledge, was due mainly to replayability issues on a single save file. Yet, anybody can kill snotty and this will permanently affect the save file, so why give this treatment to the final judgment in particular?


TetraBitGaming has many videos detailing all the cut content from the game, and personally I think this is a bit excessive. That's why I am reluctant to buy the game - I'm afraid it will be an underwhelming experience because of all the cuts and changes. The game did improve in many areas over its development, but it went south in others. It looks way more streamlined and unfinished than it should have been.

If I had to rate the game on a scale between 0% and 100% where 100% is its peak in quality and 0% is no game at all, more like the Alpha stage. Then, Pizza Tower looks like a 65%.
Pan the Sylveon 2023 年 6 月 5 日 下午 1:01 
引用自 Lumios
I do, but I don't interact with the community all that much, rather my problems are about the game itself. I feel like the game has many things it should have had that are missing completely.

I have known about the game for almost as long as you - the SAGE demo was very fun back then, but with that I am not too sure whether I want to buy the full game or not for multiple reasons.

Each time I wanna buy it, there's just something lingering in my mind telling me that I should wait until either it gets updated or it gets dlc... Maybe when it's on sale. In short, I don't feel very compelled.

引用自 Maxfecteau

I get where he's coming from. I think it's mostly because he's seen this game's entire development and knows it basically inside and out, and it's jarring to see millions of people react to the surface stuff with childlike wonder.

The game didn't get worse, the community just makes it look shallow in comparison to the constant build-hopping of the pre-release fandom.
Hard disagree here, I do think the game has gotten more shallow as time went by and the only thing that keeps it alive are the mods.

Previous builds had Snick and the Noise. I really liked the Noise, he was my favorite of the bunch. His moveset was unique, but he got nerfed repeatedly to keep him to the same level as Peppino, if I recall the issue correctly. Then, he got removed from the game entirely, but at least, the developers will perhaps put him back into the game, so that's a relief.

The new playable character seems more complicated than fun (Also given the fact that making a playable character that's in actuality two different characters à la Ice Climbers can be finnicky) and I personally didn't know that Gustavo was a real character until the full Steam release. I don't think he replaces Snick and the Noise all that well. It doesn't help either that he isn't a standalone character, but is instead a character that replaces Peppino in 2 levels only.

Previous builds had a level editor, where did that go? I would have loved to make my own levels in it, and it would have worked perfectly fine with the Steam workshop.

Several levels were scrapped, and usually that's fine, but the game has a total of 5 levels per floor, including a boss level, which is not all that much. So, all the hard work the developers put into these levels went to waste because they wanted to publish the game on Steam sooner and thus the game is much shorter in length.
For example, there was a circus level planned at some point in development with a fully functioning transformation, but it got relegated to a small room in the hub area.
Additionally, I liked the idea of challenge/gauntlet levels, but they got scrapped too. The Snick.exe challenge from the SAGE demo was tough, but I liked it - It reflected the creative level design of all the levels very well.

The heat meter would have been a neat addition, and I think this is the only time I can blame the community for something because they are seemingly responsible for its removal.

The final boss had a fourth phase where he and Peppino would get very angry at each other, but the final phase is the third phase where Peppino does 4 points of damage to the bosses.

The final judgment is weird too, it functions as a completion tracker rather than what it should be, a little statistics screen. One judgment, the one where Peppino calls the cops on the player, would have been used if the player hurts Peppino too much in the course of the game, and this would have been great to see it work that way.
The reason why this was changed, to my knowledge, was due mainly to replayability issues on a single save file. Yet, anybody can kill snotty and this will permanently affect the save file, so why give this treatment to the final judgment in particular?


TetraBitGaming has many videos detailing all the cut content from the game, and personally I think this is a bit excessive. That's why I am reluctant to buy the game - I'm afraid it will be an underwhelming experience because of all the cuts and changes. The game did improve in many areas over its development, but it went south in others. It looks way more streamlined and unfinished than it should have been.

If I had to rate the game on a scale between 0% and 100% where 100% is its peak in quality and 0% is no game at all, more like the Alpha stage. Then, Pizza Tower looks like a 65%.
You have a right to be concerned about this stuff but PT is as perfect as a game like this can get imo and some of the mechanics were dropped for a much smoother playing experience imo. I personally don't care about more content in the slightest but hopefully an update adds the Noise and more levels so you can justify buying it to yourself. I think the SAGE demo plays like complete crap compared to the gameplay of the finished product. I won't pretend like some people do that PT has flawless controls but its infinitely more fun than how sluggish Peppino feels in the demo I played.
useless individual 2023 年 6 月 6 日 下午 6:20 
as an og member of the pizza tower community i would say otherwise well yeah the community has grown a bit toxic and very large you can still ignore the community if you want.
Funny Name 2023 年 6 月 9 日 下午 4:10 
I've been around the community for a few years and yeah, the fandoms full of cringy kids (Not that the community was much better a few years back).
Doesn't affect the game itself and theres still plenty of cool mods out there though
wallymac22™ 2023 年 6 月 11 日 下午 10:04 
the game was fun but everyone ruins it by just making weird fanart, stupid videos, its part of video game culture, once a game gets too popular, 30 thousand people start swarming it, and making weird fanart, onlyfans, and trash kids videos.
scout tf2 2023 年 6 月 12 日 下午 8:31 
引用自 James
I'm not sure what else to do in Pizza Tower after playing it for about 80+ hours. If there's anything besides sugary spire or scoutdigo mod, let me know, I be interested.
you could go on itch.io and play some of the games on there
Tobelegend 2023 年 6 月 14 日 上午 11:34 
Game is not boring
See a therapist
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