Mary and Helen writing

[echoes222]

So... I believe that both of the romance options were written by different people. I mean, Helen is a human being with a personality and goals, whereas Mary is just a walking and breathing vagina. I mean... I am a grown up man and I do know that women like Mary do not exist. She doesn't have a personality, she is a sex drive personified. A teenage gamer with pimples wet dream. C'mon dear writers, make some changes, make her a human being! The difference in level of writing skills of people responsible for Helen and Mary is showing! Make Mary a human being, not an unrealistic take on nymphomania.... edit: and get rid of this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ "alright". Alright? :E

[StormRangerX]

Mary was written 10 years ago and helen was written last year.

[StormRangerX]

And they need to get rid of rid of "alright" and bring back the "yes!"

[echoes222]

Originally posted by StormRangerX:

Mary was written 10 years ago and helen was written last year.

I know, I played this game years ago. That's why I am asking for some changes, because Mary was written for teenage boys that never seen real woman. Time has come for an update.

Edit: by the way, the fact that Mary was written 10 years ago is irrelevant. Roughly 10 years ago we had female romances like: Jaheira, Viconia, Morrigan, Isabela, Leliana, Liara or Tali. It's not atomic physics to write at least decent female romance. Mary is not even a human being considering writing. We really need an update.

[CloudKira]

Whats wrong with a female actually having sexual needs and not being prude about it?

Plus she is no noble pampered lady who was raised up to be ashamed of her sexuality.

Why no one is complaining about Charles's own sexual needs being unrealistic or/and not making him a "real" human being?

Double standards.

Though I'm all for giving Mary more content I see no reason to change her personality and interests. She is her own character. She does not need to be someone else. Or Helen V2.

[CloudKira]

Originally posted by echoes222:

Originally posted by StormRangerX:

Mary was written 10 years ago and helen was written last year.

I know, I played this game years ago. That's why I am asking for some changes, because Mary was written for teenage boys that never seen real woman. Time has come for an update.

Edit: by the way, the fact that Mary was written 10 years ago is irrelevant. Roughly 10 years ago we had female romances like: Jaheira, Viconia, Morrigan, Isabela, Leliana, Liara or Tali. It's not atomic physics to write at least decent female romance. Mary is not even a human being considering writing. We really need an update.

Viconia and Isabela were boasting about their sexual prowess quite often with Isabela even saying how she can turn a straight woman into a lesbian. Viconia even talking about her previous lovers and how amazing her drow sexual skills are.

Morrigan jumps into the player's bed rather fast and afterwards starts getting grumpy when she starts falling in love. She was like the Viconia of Dragon Age with a bit less sex boasting since she grew under her mother's boot and being a hermit.

Liara and Tali were introduced as the naive sweet types. But more than anything they had 3 whole games to develop and Mass Effect had much more focus on romance than Caribbean Legend.

Neither Mary nor Helen get 3 games worth of content. And they are introduced rather late on top of that.

[echoes222]

Originally posted by CloudKira:

Whats wrong with a female actually having sexual needs and not being prude about it?

Plus she is no noble pampered lady who was raised up to be ashamed of her sexuality.

Why no one is complaining about Charles's own sexual needs being unrealistic or/and not making him a "real" human being?

Double standards.

Though I'm all for giving Mary more content I see no reason to change her personality and interests. She is her own character. She does not need to be someone else. Or Helen V2.

mate, she doesn't have "needs", her whole schtick is a nymphomania the way only a teenage boy would think nymphomania manifest. That's it. That's the end of Mary - she is walking and talking sex toy. At least Helen has something going on for her. And all of the mentioned female romances have actual personalities and they have developing arcs. Mary has none. She is only there for "wanna bang?" meme. Not sure who had written her, but that person sucked at his job.

[CloudKira]

Originally posted by echoes222:

Originally posted by CloudKira:

Whats wrong with a female actually having sexual needs and not being prude about it?

Plus she is no noble pampered lady who was raised up to be ashamed of her sexuality.

Why no one is complaining about Charles's own sexual needs being unrealistic or/and not making him a "real" human being?

Double standards.

Though I'm all for giving Mary more content I see no reason to change her personality and interests. She is her own character. She does not need to be someone else. Or Helen V2.

mate, she doesn't have "needs", her whole schtick is a nymphomania the way only a teenage boy would think nymphomania manifest. That's it. That's the end of Mary - she is walking and talking sex toy. At least Helen has something going on for her. And all of the mentioned female romances have actual personalities and they have developing arcs. Mary has none. She is only there for "wanna bang?" meme. Not sure who had written her, but that person sucked at his job.

Women with huge libido actually exist.

That said as I mentioned I'm all for getting some new quests or storylines where we can get more about her past or introduce opportunities to perhaps get a deeper look into her character.

No need to rewrite her character in order to add more layers to her character IMO. She can keep what she has but reveal that she got more going for her than that.

The thing is that unlike Helen, Mary did seemingly fall for Charles much harder which combined with her high libido makes her far more eager to bang than Helen. Helen's own libido is much lower and she is far more focused on her past legacies than with romance.

The thing that makes Helen appear more complex is that she got a whole big quest where romance never has to take place whereas Mary doesn't have any big non romance quests. We do not learn about Mary's past (aside from her dead boyfriend kinda...), family or plans for the future (that are not romance focused).

That is the only reason IMO why some people (like you) are disappointed in her. Not because she is very horny but because she does not have much else going for her.

The romances you mentioned have faaaar more dialogue than what Mary got so even the equally horny ones look more complex due to so many opportunities to develop beyond that.

So I'm all for the devs giving Mary more content in future updates. No need to scratch her current character though to make way for a completely new personality.

[StormRangerX]

And again, Helen is better written because her character was actually adressed for the remake. Mary was so overwhelmingly the popular pick in TEHO because Helen had terrible writing as well. It took CL thoroughly expanding her character for her to be interesting now, so now Mary is leagues behind.

[Xenon]

And you are wrong. The guy who wrote the entirety of the original story, wrote Mary off of his own wife. Or at least so says the legend.

But yes, it would not hurt to give Mary some content that would not revolve around Charles. Some hobby or something.

[Xenon]

Originally posted by StormRangerX:

And again, Helen is better written because her character was actually adressed for the remake. Mary was so overwhelmingly the popular pick in TEHO because Helen had terrible writing as well. It took CL thoroughly expanding her character for her to be interesting now, so now Mary is leagues behind.

Get this - even with all they've done for Helen, Mary is still more popular. Check their respective marriage global achievement stats.

[Xenon]

Sex toy or not, her appeal is in that she is insanely charming and charismatic.

[StormRangerX]

If you don't romance Helen her entire character just comes off as taking advantage of Charles, meanwhile Mary just genuinely likes you regardless.

[rossi191]

Originally posted by echoes222:

So... I believe that both of the romance options were written by different people. I mean, Helen is a human being with a personality and goals, whereas Mary is just a walking and breathing vagina. I mean... I am a grown up man and I do know that women like Mary do not exist. She doesn't have a personality, she is a sex drive personified. A teenage gamer with pimples wet dream. C'mon dear writers, make some changes, make her a human being! The difference in level of writing skills of people responsible for Helen and Mary is showing! Make Mary a human being, not an unrealistic take on nymphomania.... edit: and get rid of this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ "alright". Alright? :E

lol you've never met a woman who only thinks about sex you should try visiting south London its full of them

[echoes222]

Originally posted by rossi191:

Originally posted by echoes222:

So... I believe that both of the romance options were written by different people. I mean, Helen is a human being with a personality and goals, whereas Mary is just a walking and breathing vagina. I mean... I am a grown up man and I do know that women like Mary do not exist. She doesn't have a personality, she is a sex drive personified. A teenage gamer with pimples wet dream. C'mon dear writers, make some changes, make her a human being! The difference in level of writing skills of people responsible for Helen and Mary is showing! Make Mary a human being, not an unrealistic take on nymphomania.... edit: and get rid of this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ "alright". Alright? :E

lol you've never met a woman who only thinks about sex you should try visiting south London its full of them

I live in London. Women with high sex drive have personalities, hobbies and interests. Mary does not.

[XŦĦ§¥]

Mary definitely need a story overhaul, just as Helen had in CL.
Helen used to be pretty boring.