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How many runs for the first win?
Trying to google this just gives me information on hades 2 lol. I'm curious as to how many runs I should expect before my first actual clear. Games fun so I'm not having any issue with attempts just curious on the longevity. Also the lack of iframes is driving me nuts was that not a common complaint or did people just adapt? I've had runs where it's not an issue at all an runs where it completely ruins it.
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maybe 7 hours for my 1st win.
But then after that once I got the hang of it, win become pretty easier.
I only played the game until difficulty 5 and done secret ending.
Countless upgrade are not even obtain yet, and weapon only got 1st upgrade
Zidolos Jan 3 @ 10:27pm 
secret ending? You mean Mr. Green? If you did that in 7 hours I think it's time to enlist in AGDQ
Zidolos Jan 5 @ 2:02pm 
okay got my first win on run 15, if anyone else is looking for a when it'll start happening benchmark.
parowoz Jan 6 @ 3:01pm 
Originally posted by Zidolos:
okay got my first win on run 15, if anyone else is looking for a when it'll start happening benchmark.
you have to be genius or smth. i'm on run ~35 and usually i barely make it to middle of 2nd area. once i've encountered area 2 boss and almost killed him.
up untill run 20-25, i've beaten 1st boss just once.
if i have no modification on lifestealing melee, i rarely made it too far.

i'm not bad at this type of games (this genre is one of my faves), usually my pacing is good and i consider myself slightly above average, and i rarely get bored grinding starting levels, while learning and getting metacurrencies, but this game, i feel like i'm stuck and i'm almost ready to drop. it's getting too repetitive for me o_O


p.s. when i was fighting against "rivals" i had no chance to survive. altho haven't seen them for a long time. idk how this mechanic works, now i just get past them on that "track" at the bottom, or they catch up to me and get past me with no encounters triggered (no those special doors which lead to fight)
how this works?
Zidolos Jan 6 @ 3:32pm 
Originally posted by parowoz:
Originally posted by Zidolos:
okay got my first win on run 15, if anyone else is looking for a when it'll start happening benchmark.
you have to be genius or smth. i'm on run ~35 and usually i barely make it to middle of 2nd area. once i've encountered area 2 boss and almost killed him.
up untill run 20-25, i've beaten 1st boss just once.
if i have no modification on lifestealing melee, i rarely made it too far.

i'm not bad at this type of games (this genre is one of my faves), usually my pacing is good and i consider myself slightly above average, and i rarely get bored grinding starting levels, while learning and getting metacurrencies, but this game, i feel like i'm stuck and i'm almost ready to drop. it's getting too repetitive for me o_O


p.s. when i was fighting against "rivals" i had no chance to survive. altho haven't seen them for a long time. idk how this mechanic works, now i just get past them on that "track" at the bottom, or they catch up to me and get past me with no encounters triggered (no those special doors which lead to fight)
how this works?

I'd avoid the rivals as much as possible early on until you get a lot of the redacted information from the computers on them or upgrade your electronics things to increase the vulnerability before you go in and fight them. Getting Double dash on the perk options is huge allowing you to play a little looser than you can with just 1 (there's also a cheaper perk that lowers your dash cooldown by 20% that works with it too). My two favorite weapons are the dual blasters and assault rifle, both pair extremely well with either combustion or energy on their shots or for their AoE to help clear out rooms, and help shoot fast (I prefer the fire on the shot and shock around be when I fire) Energy also has a super good dash skill that drops electric polls on the ground that do constant damage to people around you. Always go for schematic doors as the skills that increase fire on the blasters or the one that make the assault rifle fully automatic make your run about 80% easier. Rivals if they get ahead of you can hit you with traps or you can get those rooms to fight them, if they're behind you they can't trigger traps they're super hard early on, but once you start getting info on them they're fairly simple to deal with. The first two bosses didn't really give me much of an issue, 3rd one drove me nuts a bit cause I didn't understand what was going on, but he's not so bad anymore. The 4th is hard as hell and now that I'm sitting at about 32 runs he's usually the only thing that ends them anymore unless I'm trying to do a melee run (I don't reccomend melee all that much, guns just feel better). Just keep building up those perks and unlocking the perks on the pilotsuit and you'll get a clear eventually.
parowoz Jan 6 @ 5:22pm 
Originally posted by Zidolos:
Just keep building up those perks and unlocking the perks on the pilotsuit and you'll get a clear eventually.

thanks for an elaborate answer!
to my surprise, i've just found skill page has several tabs.. just after spending ~300 currency cuz i didn't know where to spend it anymore lol. and ofc there was double dash, about which i was dreaming all that time.

as for schematic doors, i 100% always go for them, as they have best impact.
what about suits? what is your top 3 of them? there are 1-2 with good upgrades, but i yet can't feel impact that much. and how new suits are unlocked?
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O.DOGG Jan 7 @ 9:29am 
According to the log, my first Escape was on run 45.
Zidolos Jan 7 @ 6:57pm 
Originally posted by parowoz:
Originally posted by Zidolos:
Just keep building up those perks and unlocking the perks on the pilotsuit and you'll get a clear eventually.

thanks for an elaborate answer!
to my surprise, i've just found skill page has several tabs.. just after spending ~300 currency cuz i didn't know where to spend it anymore lol. and ofc there was double dash, about which i was dreaming all that time.

as for schematic doors, i 100% always go for them, as they have best impact.
what about suits? what is your top 3 of them? there are 1-2 with good upgrades, but i yet can't feel impact that much. and how new suits are unlocked?

Pilot suit was pretty much all I wore until you start to unlock some rival disguises later on Zack and Joanne are the two I prefer to run the most now (zack first 2-3 zones Joanne the last 1 or 2). Nothing felt as fluid as the pilot suit to me as the movement was huge and once you get your first clear and can upgrade it the last upgrade on the suit increases your reload 100% which makes life a lot better. You'll unlock suits naturally. I don't really know how I got most of mine. The rival ones unlock after you unredact their document and put their key code in the door in the last room.
My style of playing is always money focused.
1) always start with money suit.
2) change to preferred damage suit after first boss
3) always buy upgrade for your main weapon of current build
33. Had my first win two days ago. I had 7 of the 8 passkeys by then, even.
I'm at like... 20 something hours, 40 runs?

About ready to throw the game in the trashcan. The final boss is just absolutely ridiculous. I've nearly upgraded absolutely every single thing possible... but the last boss is just insane.

Honestly, it's what keeping me from recommending the game to other folks. If you say "you'll have to lose +40 times and spend over 20 hours for a single win, and even then you'll probably lose your next +40 runs before you get another win....", they ain't gonna play it.
Originally posted by Butts McGee:
I'm at like... 20 something hours, 40 runs?

About ready to throw the game in the trashcan. The final boss is just absolutely ridiculous. I've nearly upgraded absolutely every single thing possible... but the last boss is just insane.

Honestly, it's what keeping me from recommending the game to other folks. If you say "you'll have to lose +40 times and spend over 20 hours for a single win, and even then you'll probably lose your next +40 runs before you get another win....", they ain't gonna play it.
My advice to you is, if you keep focusing evading damage from the cyborg boss.
Then you are completely playing it wrong.
Try another run where you focus on dealing damage as much as possible while only "attack and moving"
Example, in his low HP full screen spinning laser, you can try shoot + move in sync with the laser, emphasize on "try", the key is never reduce any DPS at all.
Zidolos Jan 15 @ 4:43am 
Originally posted by Butts McGee:
I'm at like... 20 something hours, 40 runs?

About ready to throw the game in the trashcan. The final boss is just absolutely ridiculous. I've nearly upgraded absolutely every single thing possible... but the last boss is just insane.

Honestly, it's what keeping me from recommending the game to other folks. If you say "you'll have to lose +40 times and spend over 20 hours for a single win, and even then you'll probably lose your next +40 runs before you get another win....", they ain't gonna play it.

I mean I got my first win after 15 runs, and I think I've lost... like maybe 1 or 2 runs since and I'm sitting at about 44 runs with 2 watcher clears with one run failing cause I tried the 5 minute timers with 40% extra enemy spawns which was... well stupid as you don't get another 5 minutes in the launch zone. I will say the last boss is a lot, his second phase is straight ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as his heat beam attack is damn near impossible to consistently dodge so if you don't have a ton of damage you're going to take a ton of damage then, the first and 3rd phase are both pretty manageable and everything between that stupid laser is easy to dodge as well in phase 2. I can easily say runs 8-14 for me all ended on that boss as well though, he's really hard to manage early on until you have at least 1 death defiance to deal with learning his attack patterns.
Originally posted by Samseng Yik:
Originally posted by Butts McGee:
I'm at like... 20 something hours, 40 runs?

About ready to throw the game in the trashcan. The final boss is just absolutely ridiculous. I've nearly upgraded absolutely every single thing possible... but the last boss is just insane.

Honestly, it's what keeping me from recommending the game to other folks. If you say "you'll have to lose +40 times and spend over 20 hours for a single win, and even then you'll probably lose your next +40 runs before you get another win....", they ain't gonna play it.
My advice to you is, if you keep focusing evading damage from the cyborg boss.
Then you are completely playing it wrong.
Try another run where you focus on dealing damage as much as possible while only "attack and moving"
Example, in his low HP full screen spinning laser, you can try shoot + move in sync with the laser, emphasize on "try", the key is never reduce any DPS at all.

I guess I'm just not getting enough DPS luck, then. Even DPS racing it, I've between 150-200 HP, which is about 6-12 hits before death. Which sounds like a lot, not compared to this thing's health bar. Best I've done is get him between 50-75% health before I get chunked down by shockwave +.melee + chasing beam balls + hot floor all at once.

It seems one mistake often results in taking multiple hits, between 37-50 damage. So about 3-4 mistakes and I'm toast! I'd need like 300% more DPS to melt it before it chunkifies me.
The laser grid at floor, can disable by destroying the red blinking device at corner of the room.

When you dodge, if you add "slide", it will extend your invulnerable frame, very useful against the red ball and lighting nova.
It also knockdown most enemies even when they have armor bar.

Hey bro you can reach the boss before rival finish escape mean your dps not that bad.
I am also someone who initially surprised by last boss tankiness
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