Why TOZ-194?

[pvt]

I'm wondering here why would devs pick that piece of junk as a combat shotgun for this game?
I'm Russian and I'm much into 12ga, I'm closely familiar with all the local weaponry and I just don't get it why would one pick that one for the game. You may believe me or not, but TOZ-194 is a completely raw, poorly-engineered and unreliable piece of junk. Quite rare sight on our gun markets, however, no one would ever want that one unless that person is a gathering pumps for a collection.
If devs just wanted some Russian-made 12ga pump from, say, 90's era, then IZH-81 would be their best pick for sure. It's quite simple and crude, but sturdy and somewhat reliable enough. MP-133 which is it's successor (produced since 00's) outclasses almost every other shotgun in IPSC if properly tuned, that says a lot about that platform's performance.
So it's quite unclear for me why TOZ-194 was their choice here, hope they examine all the potential options better for their upcoming Sandstorm.
And as a side-note: this game has quite good 12ga action, however it lacks realism compared to RS2: Vietnam. You don't really need any penetration to disable a heavily-armored human, 12ga punch is high enough to squish the body's internals all right, be it a slug or 00 buck.

EDIT: changed the model name to the actual one.

[Andbrew]

LpFburntoutdog님이 먼저 게시:

>discriminating due to ethnic group...

I hinted torward the stereotype

[pvt]

:yes:님이 먼저 게시:

6083님이 먼저 게시:

Point is that there would be no real chance for them to get their hands on that exact TOZ.

Big whoop. Clearly there is a real chance in the game's universe. Either get over it or download a mod that changes it and forget it's there.

Edit: Also, just because it's a rare sight in Russian gun markets doesn't mean that there weren't tons of them made, that either aren't sold in Russia anymore, or the ones that are in Russia aren't being sold. Unless you can show me some numbers, which I myself have searched for, I'd have a hard time believing that there weren't enough made for insurgent groups to get their hands on them.

You'll be tellin' me? Maybe still as a local I know better whether it was anyhow exported or not? Russia never exported pumps. Frankly, it would be easier for Insurgents to get some used 590s or 870s than any Russian stuff.
Lets just admit that they've made a weird choice and that's it.
BF1 is neither authentic nor realistic. Starting from the bias uniforms and ending with the excessive use of truly rare weaponry and armor.

[aG| Wardog]

6083님이 먼저 게시:

:yes:님이 먼저 게시:

Big whoop. Clearly there is a real chance in the game's universe. Either get over it or download a mod that changes it and forget it's there.

Edit: Also, just because it's a rare sight in Russian gun markets doesn't mean that there weren't tons of them made, that either aren't sold in Russia anymore, or the ones that are in Russia aren't being sold. Unless you can show me some numbers, which I myself have searched for, I'd have a hard time believing that there weren't enough made for insurgent groups to get their hands on them.

You'll be tellin' me? Maybe still as a local I know better whether it was anyhow exported or not? Russia never exported pumps. Frankly, it would be easier for Insurgents to get some used 590s or 870s than any Russian stuff.
Lets just admit that they've made a weird choice and that's it.
BF1 is neither authentic nor realistic. Starting from the bias uniforms and ending with the excessive use of truly rare weaponry and armor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOZ-194

>"has gained a certain popularity within civilian shooters in Russia itself and in Europe"

Must've been exported.

Yeah, maybe they did make a weird choice, but now that I'm smashing your argument to pieces, you're retreating.

BF1 is authentic. Everything in it is from WW1, whether it was widely available or not. It's unrealistic in how available it all was.

[coolman552]

:yes:님이 먼저 게시:

6083님이 먼저 게시:

You'll be tellin' me? Maybe still as a local I know better whether it was anyhow exported or not? Russia never exported pumps. Frankly, it would be easier for Insurgents to get some used 590s or 870s than any Russian stuff.
Lets just admit that they've made a weird choice and that's it.
BF1 is neither authentic nor realistic. Starting from the bias uniforms and ending with the excessive use of truly rare weaponry and armor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOZ-194

>"has gained a certain popularity within civilian shooters in Russia itself and in Europe"

Must've been exported.

Yeah, maybe they did make a weird choice, but now that I'm smashing your argument to pieces, you're retreating.

BF1 is authentic. Everything in it is from WW1, whether it was widely available or not. It's unrealistic in how available it all was.

aka every single soldier carrying prototype automatic rifles

[aG| Wardog]

Abdul mohammed mehmet님이 먼저 게시:

:yes:님이 먼저 게시:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOZ-194

>"has gained a certain popularity within civilian shooters in Russia itself and in Europe"

Must've been exported.

Yeah, maybe they did make a weird choice, but now that I'm smashing your argument to pieces, you're retreating.

BF1 is authentic. Everything in it is from WW1, whether it was widely available or not. It's unrealistic in how available it all was.

aka every single soldier carrying prototype automatic rifles

Yeah? Like I said, it's authentic in that everything in the game was from WW1, but it's unrealistic in that most of what is in the game either wasn't widely used, or never left the prototype stages.

[pvt]

:yes:님이 먼저 게시:

6083님이 먼저 게시:

You'll be tellin' me? Maybe still as a local I know better whether it was anyhow exported or not? Russia never exported pumps. Frankly, it would be easier for Insurgents to get some used 590s or 870s than any Russian stuff.
Lets just admit that they've made a weird choice and that's it.
BF1 is neither authentic nor realistic. Starting from the bias uniforms and ending with the excessive use of truly rare weaponry and armor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOZ-194

>"has gained a certain popularity within civilian shooters in Russia itself and in Europe"

Must've been exported.

Yeah, maybe they did make a weird choice, but now that I'm smashing your argument to pieces, you're retreating.

BF1 is authentic. Everything in it is from WW1, whether it was widely available or not. It's unrealistic in how available it all was.

Believe me or not, that article is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It was never popular nor widely-used. In Europe? hahahaha, really.
Even pumps themselves were never truly popular here, what to say about some crappy one, and people here know that it's crappy.

[aG| Wardog]

6083님이 먼저 게시:

:yes:님이 먼저 게시:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOZ-194

>"has gained a certain popularity within civilian shooters in Russia itself and in Europe"

Must've been exported.

Yeah, maybe they did make a weird choice, but now that I'm smashing your argument to pieces, you're retreating.

BF1 is authentic. Everything in it is from WW1, whether it was widely available or not. It's unrealistic in how available it all was.

Believe me or not, that article is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It was never popular nor widely-used. In Europe? hahahaha, really.
Even pumps themselves were never truly popular here, what to say about some crappy one, and people here know that it's crappy.

If you can provide me with some proof, then I'll believe you. Until then, I have a hard time doing so.

[pvt]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B7-194
There's mostly only 1 review on that piece of crap and some stupid video and that's all what youtube has for that "mega-popular her eand in Europe" pump.
Now lets check IZH-81 https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%D0%B8%D0%B6-81
Lotsa results.
Those tardheads should delete that article from wiki entirely. Both because that's bias and also cus that pump barely deserves an article.

[aG| Wardog]

6083님이 먼저 게시:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B7-194
There's mostly only 1 review on that piece of crap and some stupid video and that's all what youtube has for that "mega-popular her eand in Europe" pump.
Now lets check IZH-81 https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%D0%B8%D0%B6-81
Lotsa results.
Those tardheads should delete that article from wiki entirely. Both because that's bias and also cus that pump barely deserves an article.

It doesn't say "mega popular" it says "gained some populatrity". Big difference there.

Remove an article because a weapon is crap? Who's the one that's biased?

[pvt]

I'll bring more:
Here's Russia's most popular site dedicated to gun owners.
First we check the thread for TOZ-194:
https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/60/591072.html which has only 21 pages total.
Then we check IZH-81: https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/60/48027.html which has 157 pages, while it was never actually called popular.
On TOZ's thread you can read how bad and raw it's construction is, how unreliably it works and jams a lot.
If you still don't believe me, it's up to you.

[aG| Wardog]

6083님이 먼저 게시:

I'll bring more:
Here's Russia's most popular site dedicated to gun owners.
First we check the thread for TOZ-194:
https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/60/591072.html which has only 21 pages total.
Then we check IZH-81: https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/60/48027.html which has 157 pages, while it was never actually called popular.
On TOZ's thread you can read how bad and raw it's construction is, how unreliably it works and jams a lot.
If you still don't believe me, it's up to you.

Popularity =/= number maunfactured.

Never questioned you in the reliability department, I'm not as experienced with guns as I'd like, and certainly not with the TOZ.

My entire point has been based around Insurgency being a game, and complaining about the TOZ-194 being in it seems pointless, especially when there are mods that change it to different shotguns.

[aG| Wardog]

Some TOZ model replacements for you, if you want them:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=466262287&searchtext=TOZ

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1276811350&searchtext=TOZ

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=647592423&searchtext=TOZ

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1088480282&searchtext=TOZ

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=774924369&searchtext=TOZ

[pvt]

Numbers were low, quite low.
There was also a truly unique pump, that was mainly produced for enforcers by the same factory, later it made it to the civilian market. It is barely know abroad, but whatever.
If you're curious to check, here it is:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%9C%D0%91-93
https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/60/16-0.html
Reviews: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B6%D1%8C%D1%91+%D1%80%D1%8B%D1%81%D1%8C

[ImUrBoss]

only game i use shotgun in is fortnite
and i barely play fortnite lmfao dont like it much

[B8B3B]

:yes:님이 먼저 게시:

BF1 is authentic, but not realistic. Insurgency is "realistic", but not authentic.

simple words can't describe how stupid that comment is, yet you even continue to argue with him...

guy's right, this particular shotgun doesn't make any sense whatsoever, no reason to defend this odd choice. and how many terrorists use shotguns in the first place...