SKS Stripper Clips + drum mags for FAL on Support class

[ChocolateDipIceCreamConeWorld]

Hey, I know this'll probably get shot down, but I was just gotta say it anyway.

As the proud owner of an SKS, you can reload them much quicker with stripper clips than you can with a magazine. It would lower the round count to 10, but the advantage would be being able to load them quickly- and to be honest, I guess I just like stripper clips and feel like it would be nice to have them for some reason. The other magazines for the gun IRL tend to fail a decent amount.

Secondly, I was thinking about the idea of having an extended magazine for the FAL on the support classes. Setting it up on a bipod and firing like a machinegunner and then having to reload extremely soon because of the 20 round cap makes you feel a lot less like a machinegunner as opposed to using the RPK or the SAW which have 5 times that. I know that people think it would not balance right but I think it could if maybe it was confined to that class or something. Not sure, just ideas

[Nox]

Old LMG such like BAR, ZB-26, Bren, FN 24/29 (etc...) had 20 to 30 rounds per magazine

[smgunsftw]

I would support the idea of having stripper clips on the SKS. However, believe it or not, the FAL was never designed to be fired with a drum magazine. Even the machine gun variants of the FAL had 20 round magazines. Take a look at the L2A1 or C2A1, both of which were simply standard FALs with a heavier barrel and bipod.

[Nox]

Belgian forces had a 30 round magazine for shortened assault version

[ChocolateDipIceCreamConeWorld]

Well the SKS was never meant to be fired with a 30 round magazine either. In fact modifying the SKS to take detachable AK mags takes a good amount of work. I know that the older LMG's had shorter magazines, but I didn't really think that was a good reason to not allow a drum magazine for the FAL- they do exist, and are much more 'friendly' than an SKS with a detachable 30 round mag.

[Nox]

SKS with detachable magazine might be useful to balance it (ie : to not reload cartrige per cartgride when a scope is mounted). In the mod, SKS had stripper clips and was less played if I remember well.

[GRU-Vy]

whats the point of stripper clips over the banana mag we got (the mod has stripper clips i remember). like its 10 shots vs 30, whats the upside? or why the nerf? I know you said the advantage would be quicker to load stripper clips but in reality it isnt, they take some effort its not like they fall in as seen in games like call of duty and day of defeat.

I wouldnt want the fal to have a drum mag, the fal in auto (even when prone) jumps around a fair bit, there would be better alternatives for a support weapon.

[ChocolateDipIceCreamConeWorld]

Originally posted by Red Espionage:

whats the point of stripper clips over the banana mag we got (the mod has stripper clips i remember). like its 10 shots vs 30, whats the upside? or why the nerf? I know you said the advantage would be quicker to load stripper clips but in reality it isnt, they take some effort its not like they fall in as seen in games like call of duty and day of defeat.

I wouldnt want the fal to have a drum mag, the fal in auto (even when prone) jumps around a fair bit, there would be better alternatives for a support weapon.

In real life, reloading with stripper clips is indeed faster than reloading with a magazine, which is why when buying a 7.62x39 gun some people go for the SKS over say a surplus AK. Theres no releasing the mag and then fitting another one in, instead its just connecting the clip and push. At firstm if you've never done it before, then I guess it would "take some effort" but for the most part if you've been doing it for a decent amount of time they can be reloaded with fairly quickly. After all, that was the main reason for my suggestion. I know that "in reality it is" quicker to reload though, just because I actually own a Yugo M59 myself and use clips over any of the magazines for that reason. As far as the FAL thing goes, you're probably right- there would be better alternatives for a support weapon, so I hope sometime they add a new one!

[SwagHauler]

Originally posted by ChocolateDipIceCreamConeWorld:

Originally posted by Red Espionage:

whats the point of stripper clips over the banana mag we got (the mod has stripper clips i remember). like its 10 shots vs 30, whats the upside? or why the nerf? I know you said the advantage would be quicker to load stripper clips but in reality it isnt, they take some effort its not like they fall in as seen in games like call of duty and day of defeat.

I wouldnt want the fal to have a drum mag, the fal in auto (even when prone) jumps around a fair bit, there would be better alternatives for a support weapon.

In real life, reloading with stripper clips is indeed faster than reloading with a magazine, which is why when buying a 7.62x39 gun some people go for the SKS over say a surplus AK. Theres no releasing the mag and then fitting another one in, instead its just connecting the clip and push. At firstm if you've never done it before, then I guess it would "take some effort" but for the most part if you've been doing it for a decent amount of time they can be reloaded with fairly quickly. After all, that was the main reason for my suggestion. I know that "in reality it is" quicker to reload though, just because I actually own a Yugo M59 myself and use clips over any of the magazines for that reason. As far as the FAL thing goes, you're probably right- there would be better alternatives for a support weapon, so I hope sometime they add a new one!

Finally. Another "shooter." You are absolutely correct sir. I have competed in impromptu street tac matches with the AK and the SKS. The SKS is faster with stripper clips because it as a very valuable feature missing from the AK- an automatic bolt hold open and automatic bolt release. This makes it slightly faster than an AK speedload (by about 1/10 of a second) and SIGNIFICANTLY faster during a reload that requires the retention of the AK's magazine (since the SKS doesn't have a removable one). This reload is faster because of "economy of motion." You simply hold the rifle on your shoulder at eye level with your weak hand. Your right hand retrieves the clip and inserts it in the guide on the automatically opened bolt (located at eye level), then slaps the rounds home. The bolt closes automatically and your right hand is positioned by the trigger guard through the motion of reloading.

[Lil Ghork]

Originally posted by ChocolateDipIceCreamConeWorld:

reload extremely soon because of the 20 round cap makes you feel a lot less like a machinegunner as opposed to using the RPK or the SAW which have 5 times that.

Originally posted by SwagHauler:

Finally. Another "shooter." [/quote] Wow,this shooter sure knows a lot about guns! Like the fact that the RPK has a 100 round drum magazine and that the M249 also has the exact same ammo capacity in Insurgency. I've seen better gun accuracy from Black (PS2) than THIS guy!

[SwagHauler]

Originally posted by Sheridan:

Originally posted by ChocolateDipIceCreamConeWorld:

reload extremely soon because of the 20 round cap makes you feel a lot less like a machinegunner as opposed to using the RPK or the SAW which have 5 times that.

Originally posted by SwagHauler:

Finally. Another "shooter."

Wow,this shooter sure knows a lot about guns! Like the fact that the RPK has a 100 round drum magazine and that the M249 also has the exact same ammo capacity in Insurgency. I've seen better gun accuracy from Black (PS2) than THIS guy! [/quote]


RPK -74 (5.45mm X 39mm automatic rifle not actually in the game) has a 100 round drum magazine produced by both Izhmash and Arsenal and it is even listed for sale on their websites (and a couple of American companies also make these drums, but that is beside the point). The RPK (in 7.62mm X 39mm) has a standardized 75 round drum (the Chinese and Koreans both made 90 round drums but these are both bulky and rare). The M249 SAW uses a 200 round plastic box mag, a 100 round soft sided "nutsack" round carrier containing a 100 round belt that is in common US usage. It also uses STANO mags when needed (this requires "flipping the bolt and feed mechanism" and is very hard on the magazine's feed lips).

As for my AK verses SKS posts; Test them for yourself. If you have a smart phone there is an app that will turn your phone into an electronic timer. Shoot them both and see what I'm talking about.
What's your proof that my posts aren't accurate MR "EXPERT?" Post this proof (if you have any). Are you another "gunshop commando" who tells me he can draw and fire 2 rounds in less than a second and then balks when I pull out my Pact Timer and say "prove it?"

[ChocolateDipIceCreamConeWorld]

Guys I love guns and I love this game I didn't want to cause another angry thread I just had a suggestion, that's all :)

[SwagHauler]

Originally posted by ChocolateDipIceCreamConeWorld:

Guys I love guns and I love this game I didn't want to cause another angry thread I just had a suggestion, that's all :)

And I agree with your suggestion for stripper clips. Sheridan just needs to prove my posts were inaccurate; That's why I challenged him to test the results himself (and told him how to aquire the needed timing device at minimal cost).
I have more than 30 years of shooting experience and carried a gun for a living for more than 20 years. If you want to "call me out," feel free. Just be prepared to prove me wrong.

[Lil Ghork]

Originally posted by SwagHauler:

Originally posted by Sheridan:

Finally. Another "shooter."

Wow,this shooter sure knows a lot about guns! Like the fact that the RPK has a 100 round drum magazine and that the M249 also has the exact same ammo capacity in Insurgency. I've seen better gun accuracy from Black (PS2) than THIS guy!

RPK -74 (5.45mm X 39mm automatic rifle not actually in the game) has a 100 round drum magazine produced by both Izhmash and Arsenal and it is even listed for sale on their websites (and a couple of American companies also make these drums, but that is beside the point). The RPK (in 7.62mm X 39mm) has a standardized 75 round drum (the Chinese and Koreans both made 90 round drums but these are both bulky and rare). The M249 SAW uses a 200 round plastic box mag, a 100 round soft sided "nutsack" round carrier containing a 100 round belt that is in common US usage. It also uses STANO mags when needed (this requires "flipping the bolt and feed mechanism" and is very hard on the magazine's feed lips).

As for my AK verses SKS posts; Test them for yourself. If you have a smart phone there is an app that will turn your phone into an electronic timer. Shoot them both and see what I'm talking about.
What's your proof that my posts aren't accurate MR "EXPERT?" Post this proof (if you have any). Are you another "gunshop commando" who tells me he can draw and fire 2 rounds in less than a second and then balks when I pull out my Pact Timer and say "prove it?" [/quote]
Well,for one,you were talking about the game and said the M249 has 100 rounds which is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. And these new STANO mags you speak of... I've heard of STANAG but this STANO mag is some new thing or something? And what does firing 2 bullets in a small amount of time have to do with anything? We're talking about machine guns and your incapability to spell STANAG properly here man,back on topic!

[SwagHauler]

Originally posted by Sheridan:

Well,for one,you were talking about the game and said the M249 has 100 rounds which is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. And these new STANO mags you speak of... I've heard of STANAG but this STANO mag is some new thing or something? And what does firing 2 bullets in a small amount of time have to do with anything? We're talking about machine guns and your incapability to spell STANAG properly here man,back on topic!

If your refering to my posts in the "Show the Support Class some love" posts; I did in fact SUGGEST that the M249 SAW's standard belt be changed to the 100 "nutsack" as DR.Wholian? had suggested before me. This was suggested for game balance. I also made SEVERAL other suggestions including the PKM, the MK48, the M27 (from H&K), and the RPK-74 with an optional 100 round drum (of which you have yet to show proof that I was in error on) ALL of which are NOT in the game.
The US term is STANO for Standard Nato magazine- the term the NATO powers used when they were agreeing to universal magazines for all the participating countries back during the 90's (when I served). STANAG is an ACTUAL magazine made with an Aluminum body and a 30 round capacity. This was the standardized STANAG magazine and is used in the M4/M16 series rifles. STANO mags are any mag that is built to the exact same dimensions as the STANAG magazine but NOT approved by all party members for use. The Lancer 5 is a STANO spec mag. The P-mag is another STANO mag. Until they are approved by all of NATO, they are NOT considered a STANAG. On a side note, several STANO spec mags WILL NOT work in various NATO spec rifles (the H&K 416 and Berretta AR160 come to mind immediately) I see your not from the US and I understand you may have not understood that I was using US specific terminology (like a British soldier refering to the MAG machinegun as an L7, while we in the US call it an M240), so I'll appologize for causing you confusion.
I was posting my Actual REAL WORLD experience with both the AK and the SKS in an actual match in support of a prior post. This is why I have suggested you download an Application that will turn your smart phone into an electronic timer and test it for yourself. There is NO WAY an AK can beat an SKS in a TACLOAD (where the magazine in the weapon is removed AND retained), the kind of load that Insurgency uses.
The reason I posted the "gunshop commando" statement is your acting EXACTLY like that guy in a gunshop (or one of my classes) who says "I can shoot 2 rounds in 1 second" when I point out that it takes an average shooter between 1.5 to 2 seconds to draw and fire from concealment. I ALWAYS call them to task and NO ONE has ever pulled that one off ("Gentleman Jerry" could most likely do it) . I'm simply responding to your "attack" on my post. I did not go "off topic" first; you did. Feel free to post any evidence that my assertions involving the SKS (or 100 drums for the RPK-74) are wrong sir.

[ChocolateDipIceCreamConeWorld]

Guys it was just stripper clips its ok its america we have guns just buy real ones n be happy dont be mean to each other :(