the free content is lackluster

[FreshlyFishedBread]

i understand trashing on players who over-react about the whole yearly payment model 'n stuff but people take it too far by defending the f2p content.

the f2p content is lackluster and although you cant complain about free content you can complain about deceptive marketing

free players get just about jack
25 tutorial and 25 rotating campaign levels - these simply aren't enough. i did the tutorial and i've gotten gold on nearly every campaign map except 3 blacks all in one day and if others are like me they'll slow down once they've meet their match. for me that was levels 21 and 24 but for completely new players i can see it being maybe a bit sooner, i just would rather not bang my head into a wall for 20 hours and im sure many other people wont want to either.

royale mode- this is simply too hard for new players and no "get gud" shouldn't be a requirement for the limited amount of f2p content there is

ranked - if its you're thing its cool but frankly i find ranked modes stressing additionally don't they just use the campaign maps? again cool for anyone who likes smashing their head into a wall repeatedly but some of us rather get the best time they reasonably can and try other tracks.

rotating arcade server- i heard there was two but i only see one but i had a hard time finding that one too so eh but anyway not the point, unless you just want to go vroom vroom you have to hope that when you log-on there just happens to be something you like otherwise its too bad too sad. like when i first tried it it was a server full of 3 laps tracks and i simply don't enjoy those types of tracks. i have a lot of free time but for people who don't this can be frustrating.

rankings- this isn't actual content stop pointing at the fact that you can see you're rankings as some sort of cool thing im sure at least half of the f2p players could not give less ♥♥♥♥♥ about going from 100,000th place to 99,998th place

making skins & simple track editor: skins cant be used and you cant share tracks and again im sure most f2p players arent creative geniuses or good enough to make complex tracks like what can be found nearly anywhere else.

in conclusion i understand not liking people complaining about the pricing model but acting like whats offered isn't just a trial and calling it f2p isn't somewhat deceptive is just ♥♥♥♥ riding

[El Jefe Grande Supreme]

I spent the first half year just playing arcade, there is more than enough content there. I think you should give it a shot!

[FreshlyFishedBread]

Originally posted by El Jefe Grande Supreme:

I spent the first half year just playing arcade, there is more than enough content there. I think you should give it a shot!

its not about the amount of content in arcade really just the fact that you have to get lucky to get what you like when your on.
i've already paid for standard so its a non-issue for me, but the f2p content is already limited and for people who have kids and/or long hour jobs its a bit of a gut punch to get a server of ice tracks when you suck absolute ass at them, and you cant even finish the tracks even if you did enjoy that particular play style

and again im not exactly complaining about the f2p content but the fact that its more free to try than free to play

[El Jefe Grande Supreme]

I think there are a lot of if´s in your statement. I had plenty of fun playing free content. Only reason I paid was to get skins later on.

[FreshlyFishedBread]

Originally posted by El Jefe Grande Supreme:

I think there are a lot of if´s in your statement. I had plenty of fun playing free content. Only reason I paid was to get skins later on.

i mean it is dependent on the person
you can have fun in royale even if you're ♥♥♥♥
you can have fun in ranked despite being ♥♥♥♥ and being the same campaign maps
and you can have fun in any arcade track if you just want to go vroom and don't care about the style of track
however i don't and i think its rather obvious that most free to play players don't either and even if they did most f2p players aren't gonna be good enough to enjoy half the content being offered to its full extent

[DaBa]

Whether you find the free content lackluster or not is completely subjective and does not make it deceptive when people say you can play the game for free. Because you can, and there is plenty to do without paying a single cent, as you've listed yourself in this very thread. Some people may like what's there for free and some might not, that's just life.

I can make the same statement and say that calling it a "trial" is deceptive because it does not match my understanding of the word. That doesn't make it a fact though and there will be people, like you for example, who find that an accurate term to use. Besides, I don't even see a contradiction here, call it a trial or whatever other name you want, doesn't change the fact that the free part of the game is there and how much of it is there. Whether you subjectively think it's not enough to enjoy the game is not relevant.

[FreshlyFishedBread]

Originally posted by DaBa:

Whether you find the free content lackluster or not is completely subjective and does not make it deceptive when people say you can play the game for free. Because you can, and there is plenty to do without paying a single cent, as you've listed yourself in this very thread. Some people may like what's there for free and some might not, that's just life.

I can make the same statement and say that calling it a "trial" is deceptive because it does not match my understanding of the word. That doesn't make it a fact though and there will be people, like you for example, who find that an accurate term to use. Besides, I don't even see a contradiction here, call it a trial or whatever other name you want, doesn't change the fact that the free part of the game is there and how much of it is there. Whether you subjectively think it's not enough to enjoy the game is not relevant.

it is subjective but as i said in my previous statement i think its pretty obvious most free to play players fall into what i've described above. most new players don't have fun playing the same tracks 100 times to knock off an extra half second and they don't have fun playing play styles or modes they suck absolute ass at. its not free to play because it isn't, most the good content is locked behind a paywall and you get to try a piece of the game before deciding if you want to get to the juicy bits its like saying WoW is free to play because you get to level your character up to lvl 20 before you have to shell out money.

oh and edit: it's marketed as free to play so i personally see why people will feel deceived when most of it isn't. i wouldn't complain about the content, that wasn't the point of the post, just that some free to play payer's complaints are valid as the content offered is either too hard for new players or highly limited adding onto that free to try feeling

[Linx]

I would consider more of a problem the suscription model than the lack of free content.
Because even if you pay you are gonna be back to free content if you stop paying, so another anticonsumer pseudoransom

[Medusa]

Getting gold on campaign maps is not even slightly challenging, you really should at least try to get Author Medal on most campaign maps as usually that is quite doable.

[FreshlyFishedBread]

Originally posted by Medusa:

Getting gold on campaign maps is not even slightly challenging, you really should at least try to get Author Medal on most campaign maps as usually that is quite doable.

yeah speak for yourself any new player is gonna find a fair challenge in quite a few of those levels they are relatively easy compared to most other track mania content but calling them "not even a slight challenge" is delusional

but thats not the point. as you said it's not too challenging for most and new players def arent gonna be trying to author time every level just because their "doable", so they are only gonna spend so much time on the campaign before they move on.

[FreshlyFishedBread]

Originally posted by Linx:

I would consider more of a problem the subscription model than the lack of free content.
Because even if you pay you are gonna be back to free content if you stop paying, so another anticonsumer pseudoransom

unless you play this game for 6+ years just paying for standard access will be cheaper than what would probably be a $60 flat fee otherwise. now unless you know you aren't gonna die or lose your hands and you'll still want to play the game in 6 years then this is a safer bet and if you are gonna be playing the game for 6 years i don't see the problem with supporting further development for the price of a big mac meal.

[Yesat]

What do you want more?
Starter allows you to play: Campaign, Ranked, Arcade rooms. You also get the daily community track showcase, Track of the day.

The only main thing you do not get access is Cup of the Day, the 3x per day event, and access to the servers from the community.

But you can still play all the maps made by the community by downloading them from Trackmania Exchange. You will even compete for the WR on these.

There's nothing more to the game really, unless you want to make maps. Then you'll need to pay €10 to get the advanced editor.

[Bum]

A racing game is rarely built around having a billion things to do other than racing on a track. Any racing game even IRacing is built around getting better times on a track.

Trackmania's only purpose is a competitiveness and it's built with that in mind.

you simply didn't understand what kind of game trackmania is. 100 maps for free per year is a lot when you think about the purpose of the game. Your mindset should focus on getting Author medals to begin with. Then getting a better rank.

When you get a subscription for 10€ (AAA racing games are 50-70 so that's between 5 years and 7 years of subcription). You get 1 map per day from the community. That's 365 additional maps + Every map from trackmania exchange.

There are not many games you will play for over a year and this subscription is not auto renewable so if you do'nt want to play anymore you just stop paying.

But, i guess we prefer screaming some nonsense instead of thinking logically.

[FreshlyFishedBread]

Originally posted by Yesat:

What do you want more?
Starter allows you to play: Campaign, Ranked, Arcade rooms. You also get the daily community track showcase, Track of the day.

The only main thing you do not get access is Cup of the Day, the 3x per day event, and access to the servers from the community.

But you can still play all the maps made by the community by downloading them from Trackmania Exchange. You will even compete for the WR on these.

There's nothing more to the game really, unless you want to make maps. Then you'll need to pay €10 to get the advanced editor.

you need standard access to play local maps and track of the day.
if you had cared to read my initial statement i already addressed the issues with the 2 arcade rooms and the single campaign and ranked.

[FreshlyFishedBread]

Originally posted by Bum:

A racing game is rarely built around having a billion things to do other than racing on a track. Any racing game even IRacing is built around getting better times on a track.

Trackmania's only purpose is a competitiveness and it's built with that in mind.

you simply didn't understand what kind of game trackmania is. 100 maps for free per year is a lot when you think about the purpose of the game. Your mindset should focus on getting Author medals to begin with. Then getting a better rank.

When you get a subscription for 10€ (AAA racing games are 50-70 so that's between 5 years and 7 years of subscription). You get 1 map per day from the community. That's 365 additional maps + Every map from trackmania exchange.

There are not many games you will play for over a year and this subscription is not auto renewable so if you do'nt want to play anymore you just stop paying.

But, i guess we prefer screaming some nonsense instead of thinking logically.

i'm pretty sure Trackmania's main attraction is its tracks.. i mean why don't you go get the WR in forza instead i'm sure ittle be just as fun.

also if you had cared to read what i have said in previous replies you would have known how useless everything after the 3rd paragraph was

[Bum]

Move along. Go play hogwarts or something :)