How to become immortal after BloodCatcher nerfs?

[Selath]

I did the 60 min Vault quest after the nerf. I was immortal as Maiden until the 50-55min mark at lvl 140ish, but then I had to start moving and run away from the mobs for 3 or 4 mins or I was going to die. What's the optimal way of executing the build?
Maybe I should've taken the Blood-Soaked Shirt instead of the Plate Armor?
Is increasing max HP a mistake cuz it slows BloodCatcher's scaling?

[Ulyaoth]

Hello there,

Blood Catcher still rewards low HP Pools more than high.

Not sure about your Shield Maiden Tank Build, but she can still get full immortal past the 60min mark, if you max invest into Block.
Not tested after the latest patch, but before it was possible w/o Blood Catcher and
w/o Uncommon Items.

Max Block
Mark of Sparks
Helmet +20
Plate Armor +10
Plated Boots +10

Shield Maiden +20 (Base Value)
Weapon Proficiency - Shield I-IV +20
Proficient Stance - Guarding I-IV +40%
Dedication - Striding I-IV +40%
Tier V Dedication +20
Sorceress
Dedication - Protection +40%

Parry I-IV +25
Bulwark I-III +30%
Shrine of Blessing +50%
total
125 + 160% = 325

double on Tier V Dedication +40 and 2x Bulwark 40%
145 +180% = 406

double on 3x Bulwark 60%
125 +190% = 362.5

double on Tier V Dedication +40 and 2x Weapon Proficiency - Shield +20
155 +160% = 403

Shield Maiden gets on top 0.5% Block Strenght per lvl up.
At lvl 100 this 50% already


I bet she will stay unkillable for quite some time...
Cheers!

[gienekman]

With blood catcher nerf, you will never be immortal unless you play on the lowerst difficulty, no/low modifiers vault, even going full block will let some damage through.

On top of getting block items like Helmet/plated boots you need something that helps with regen/damage once monsters start beating you up.

I found Defiant Plate(passive) works wonders, it gives you defense and regen exactly when you need it, which is when taking damage.
Reactive version gives you more defense but you need to be hit more to get full effect and from what i saw you don't get full stacks unless you are dying.

[OH! MY CAR]

Defiant Plate or Blood-Soaked shirt are probably options, along with the bloodstained wrappings.

You can look for my post about my current 30 artifact run, if you want. That build is probably immortal in most places.

Especially if you swap the boots to defense and maybe change the ring and amulet to something for higher dps.

[who user]

Originally posted by Ulyaoth:

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Plated Boots +10
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Totally wrong. Elven boots is what you need. Then stack as much movement speed as you can together with block. You may also prefer Archer's mark. Archers dedication provides huge bonus to movement speed. Easy 100+ base block bonus. Only downside of this is that character becomes way too fast.

As for def based option. Defiance plate is the best choice. Just stack as much def and regen as you can.

[Ulyaoth]

Originally posted by cacodemon:

Totally wrong. Elven boots is what you need.

You dont need them anymore at this block lvl and you dont have to invest in MS either.

[Selath]

Originally posted by cacodemon:

Elven boots is what you need.

Don't you need to be constantly moving for Elven Boots to work? What's the point of a immortal build if you can't stand still?

[Thrrax]

Originally posted by Selath:

Originally posted by cacodemon:

Elven boots is what you need.

Don't you need to be constantly moving for Elven Boots to work? What's the point of a immortal build if you can't stand still?

"Look at me, I'm immortal."
"Stand still, so I can test that."
"Nope."

[Ulyaoth]

I made some tests and with the latest Scaling Changes to Vault,
you can become "ALMOST" immortal until 60mins,
then it escalates.

It could be possible to squeeze out more XP when using Abilites, to get better Scaling.
With Common Gear only, damage starts again at ~40:00
With Uncoom Gear, damage starts at ~44:00
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