No, seriously, sage needs a redesign

[Wintermute]

I'll be extremely novel with the topic. Excuse me, i need to vent after a waste of 2 hours trying to breach stage 5 agony.

Whoever designed a character that deals no damage, has literally no defensive stats, is the slowest character in the whole game, suffers from tremendous trait bloat, scales 2 stats instead of 3, one of which is the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ PICKUP RANGE, has absolutely worthless class traits that you're better off oblivioning on sight, and needs to exclusively rely on memory potioning traits from other classes just to start barely functioning - that person needs to go and read a book about that weird thing called "fun". Exterminator is fun. Archer is fun. Sorceress is fun. Landsknecht is fun. Sage is an abortion of game design that needs theorycrafting and dedicated builds to reach the dizzying hights of "basic functionality". I don't care how powerful he gets in the endgame when the character struggles to reach a single upgrade for his skills.

[Moonspells]

I'm stuck with the 17k kills.

[Ulyaoth]

Moonspells の投稿を引用：

I'm stuck with the 17k kills.

Ever looked into here?
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2218750/discussions/5/

[Error404]

El Mythical 23 k.s.c. の投稿を引用：

Don't care what these mega chad gamers say. The sage is a horrible playing experience and its solely because of their speed stat. I've already gotten specter 2 million damage in a run quest. Its still garbage. Won't be surprised if they don't get a buff.

The pick up range scaling is pretty stupid as well :conwayshrug:

And I'll respond by saying we need more items with pickup range. Why aren't there any rings, necklaces, helms and boots that increase pickup range? Why aren't there any items that increase Base Pickup Range so that if I want good Pickup Range, I'm not forced to pick Sage Mark and waste a double potion or two on the Sage's base pickup range every time?

[🌺💗Tazzamorous💗🌺]

Error404 の投稿を引用：

...I'm not forced to pick Sage Mark and waste a double potion or two on the Sage's base pickup range every time?

You aren't forced. Just don't play a strat that needs pickup range :P ez (I'm being mostly facetious as there are a number of stats that only have 1 thing that improves them.)

[El Mythical 23 k.s.c.]

Error404 の投稿を引用：

El Mythical 23 k.s.c. の投稿を引用：

Don't care what these mega chad gamers say. The sage is a horrible playing experience and its solely because of their speed stat. I've already gotten specter 2 million damage in a run quest. Its still garbage. Won't be surprised if they don't get a buff.

The pick up range scaling is pretty stupid as well

And I'll respond by saying we need more items with pickup range. Why aren't there any rings, necklaces, helms and boots that increase pickup range? Why aren't there any items that increase Base Pickup Range so that if I want good Pickup Range, I'm not forced to pick Sage Mark and waste a double potion or two on the Sage's base pickup range every time?

Sounds like you agree that him level scaling pick up range is trash and would be more valuable if more items actually existed to use pick up range to scale off of.

[Error404]

El Mythical 23 k.s.c. の投稿を引用：

Error404 の投稿を引用：

And I'll respond by saying we need more items with pickup range. Why aren't there any rings, necklaces, helms and boots that increase pickup range? Why aren't there any items that increase Base Pickup Range so that if I want good Pickup Range, I'm not forced to pick Sage Mark and waste a double potion or two on the Sage's base pickup range every time?

Sounds like you agree that him level scaling pick up range is trash and would be more valuable if more items actually existed to use pick up range to scale off of.

Sure, but base Pickup Range is only 3.0m and doubling both of the Sage's pickup traits I and II will double it to 6.0m, which allows Blazing Shell and Broker's Cape to actually hit the entire screen and possibly further. Picking the Sage Mark is the only way other classes can increase their Base Pickup Range.

Would be nice though to have more items that can scale of Pickup Range though.

[El Mythical 23 k.s.c.]

Yeah I agree the Sage scaling on a stat that only affects two items sucks as well...

[Shucks]

So I saw this thread shortly before I unlocked the Sage. I was rather apprehensive about how using him was going to go after reading through this.

I've never had an easier run in my life. I legitimately have no idea what the hell this complaint is about.

[Snufflegrunt]

Shucks の投稿を引用：

So I saw this thread shortly before I unlocked the Sage. I was rather apprehensive about how using him was going to go after reading through this.

I've never had an easier run in my life. I legitimately have no idea what the hell this complaint is about.

He's easy without agony. I was the same until I flipped on agony mode.

[Shucks]

Snufflegrunt の投稿を引用：

Shucks の投稿を引用：

So I saw this thread shortly before I unlocked the Sage. I was rather apprehensive about how using him was going to go after reading through this.

I've never had an easier run in my life. I legitimately have no idea what the hell this complaint is about.

He's easy without agony. I was the same until I flipped on agony mode.

I definitely played him an agony mode. Why would you not be in agony mode once it is unlocked?

[leqesai]

Snufflegrunt の投稿を引用：

Shucks の投稿を引用：

So I saw this thread shortly before I unlocked the Sage. I was rather apprehensive about how using him was going to go after reading through this.

I've never had an easier run in my life. I legitimately have no idea what the hell this complaint is about.

He's easy without agony. I was the same until I flipped on agony mode.

Piss easy in agony mode too. Sage is easy mode for anyone with at last half a brain

[Snufflegrunt]

Shucks の投稿を引用：

I definitely played him an agony mode. Why would you not be in agony mode once it is unlocked?

Because some of us like to chill and have a bit of a play around before we get serious.

leqesai の投稿を引用：

Piss easy in agony mode too. Sage is easy mode for anyone with at last half a brain

Teach me O 200IQ Game Master, Great One, Destroyer of Games and Basement Dweller. I am here to "accept your wisdom". But you forgot the "be cool to each other" part of your mantra.

[🌺💗Tazzamorous💗🌺]

I think it's important to respect the way everyone else plays games. Normal mode is fun for some, and it's all they want. That is ok. Agony mode is where the fun is for others. That is ok too.

Similarly, everyone is at different skill levels. Normal can be hard for some, while even agony can be easy for others. Just respect the differences we all have.

[Snufflegrunt]

🌺💗Tazzunda💗🌺 の投稿を引用：

I think it's important to respect the way everyone else plays games. Normal mode is fun for some, and it's all they want. That is ok. Agony mode is where the fun is for others. That is ok too.

Similarly, everyone is at different skill levels. Normal can be hard for some, while even agony can be easy for others. Just respect the differences we all have.

Exactly. thank you. <3

[leqesai]

Snufflegrunt の投稿を引用：

Shucks の投稿を引用：

I definitely played him an agony mode. Why would you not be in agony mode once it is unlocked?

Because some of us like to chill and have a bit of a play around before we get serious.

leqesai の投稿を引用：

Piss easy in agony mode too. Sage is easy mode for anyone with at last half a brain

Teach me O 200IQ Game Master, Great One, Destroyer of Games and Basement Dweller. I am here to "accept your wisdom". But you forgot the "be cool to each other" part of your mantra.

I didn't say 200IQ was required. I sad at least half a brain is required. I'm sure you can figure it out. There have been strategies shared in this very thread as well as other threads. The search function may be useful too.