Efficient early farm?

[Wintermute]

I progressed up to the warlock unlock. I can not kill the horseman boss on the third map yet. i can clear agony 3 of the first map, but can't finish it yet on any character.

What's the best way to farm gold/items for me at this point in the game? Is it more efficient to go for full clears of first 2 maps without agony, or should i keep bashing my head against agony?

[Ulyaoth]

Hi,

this depends heavily on your current overall progress.
- How many quests you have done? (XP Bonus - naturall power)
- How many and which items do you have at your disposal?
etc.

A general oldschool farm mehtod for non Agony:
You want to have unlocked those two milestones:
- Greed Rising - Collect a total of 20 000 gold. Gold gets brewed in barrels. (Gold Slimes)
- Elite Slayer I - Kill a total of 50 elite enemies. Blessing: Gold Drops (more %-Gold)

Now you pick a char with range (Warlock, Archer were my favorites)
- Haunted Caverns Normal
From the Well ~2-3 screens away, then start circeling in the general distance around the Well and destroy every container you come accross.
When you made one round, broken containers shoud be respawned by now.

A great ability to use for this is Ring Blades, since it can clear alot offscreen containers, which can spawn Gold Slimes.
Hit Gold Slimes for 20(?) times, and they drop alot of gold, plus you get gold drops in those containers.

In the process, retrieve equipment you not have.
Do Quest-Runs on the fly, where you have to deal X-dmg. You can do those on every map.
If you have a strong loadout, you coud do this also on Agony, for even more gold.

Cheers!

[Wintermute]

I see. I have gold slimes and don't have the blessing. For items I gathered and bought out a bunch of basic unlocks, but struggle for those that cost 6.5k and upwards. At 98 quests finished currently.

What about item farms? My understandng is agony spawns more bosses, but some of their drops can not be retrieved. Is it more efficient? I'm aslo under impression that bottles only drop in agony mode - is that correct?

[Ulyaoth]

Originally posted by Wintermute:

for items:
On all maps you have 3 major bosses, which drop a chest with retrieveable items (gold).
Playing normal is better, since you cant get Uncommons from Agony in those chests, which cant be retrieved. Agony does not increase the golden chest drops.

for bottles:
There Agony might be better, since those Agony Elites can drop Bottle Chests as well.

Try to do as many "reachable" quests as you can, since this will give you a large boost in power, be it with more xp, gold, blessings or item unlocks.
Always pay attention to quests you are missing.

Try to grab all ingredients if you didnt have already.
Just make a quick run into the maps and quit out.
If you dont mind spoilers where they are:
Category "The Cupbearer and his Service"
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3034282250

And for quests I recommend this one:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3029081986

[Wintermute]

Thanks a lot man. I came from Vampire survivors, so I kinda neglected the whole exploration/speed aspect of the game. Followed your advice to search for gold, stacked some speed on archer - and holy ♥♥♥♥. Not only did i make some fat cash, I also realised just how much survivability archer gains by running between containers faster.

[BackInBlack]

U can also play cleric hes literally broken
I cant clear a single map with the other characters
But cleric is like chilling with a cup of coffee

[Wintermute]

Originally posted by BackInBlack:

U can also play cleric hes literally broken
I cant clear a single map with the other characters
But cleric is like chilling with a cup of coffee

Can't play cleric for the life of me. I get absolutely the worst results out of him compared to any other char. Barely can clear the normal caves.

[Ulyaoth]

Originally posted by Wintermute:

Can't play cleric for the life of me. I get absolutely the worst results out of him compared to any other char. Barely can clear the normal caves.

His damage gets spreaded equally to all targets hit.
In earl stages you might have to maneuver much, to pick your targets and destroy them.
Later, you can stand around afk and oneshot entiere groups.

He is very ability depend in the earlystages.
Transfixion is to this day one of the strongest and a great starter for Cleric.
Kugelblitz is one of the most powerful dps abilites to clear entiere hords.
And Hailstorm is currently the most broken due Frost, but you need constant movement.

Originally posted by gloom:

Item progression is way too slow with only being able to save one item a run and having so many characters to gear.

There are 58(?) items in the game.
If you woud pick one item per run and clear it full, you woud need ~30 hours of gameplay.
But you can always go into Haunted Caverns, kill the first boss spawning after 6 minutes and fish for new gear. Retrieve it and exit to camp to restart.
With ~7 minutes needed per run, you woud be done in ~7 hours with all items.

[BackInBlack]

Originally posted by Wintermute:

Originally posted by BackInBlack:

U can also play cleric hes literally broken
I cant clear a single map with the other characters
But cleric is like chilling with a cup of coffee

Can't play cleric for the life of me. I get absolutely the worst results out of him compared to any other char. Barely can clear the normal caves.

What rly how ?
I literally 3shot every boss and elite with him
Try to focus on dmg, attack speed and area and u should be fine

[Wintermute]

I know how he works, he absolutely deletes singled out bosses, that is true. But what kills me the most on any run are the hordes, and cleric's damage plummets so hard against them. And I'm yet to find an actual combination of skills that would not make him a discount swordsman. Nor do I understnd how to capitalize on his debuffs properly. Maybe I just lack some dedicated gear for now.

[Ulyaoth]

Originally posted by Wintermute:

- Transfixion > build around damage/crit
- Kugelblitz > either full Electrify or flat damage, +100% crit (Peak III, VI, X) is a must IMO
- Dragon's Breath > build on full burn and range
just some examples

Either rely on raw damage, which gets buffed with the Fragile stacks,
or go into DoTs, which get buffed by Affliction
You can also combine those, but as a general "rule", try to stick to 2-3 upgraded abilites and dont take em all at once, or you will clutter your trait pool.

[🌺💗Tazzamorous💗🌺]

Originally posted by Wintermute:

What's the best way to farm gold/items for me at this point in the game?

Do you have Hailstorm upgrades unlocked?

If yes, go into 3rd map, pick hailstorm up. Go kill ghost wall and take home 10-15k per run.

I talk about it more below. Obv you won't be able to do it as-described, because you are early game but even early game hailstorm will be good enough to wipe out map 3 with some decent movement and other abilities.

Originally posted by Tazzunda:

Originally posted by U_F_N_M:

It would be nice to know how to get 20k per run? My average is 5k without quests or milestones.

• Learn how to use Hailstorm. (go read the 500M damage guide for build)
• Forgotten Viaduct.
• Use ALL oblivion potions on base traits you don't need (only need force, range, area, movement speed).
• Take Hailstorm, take Vortex, take Icicles. Take nothing else.
• Do not open any chests. Do not take any scrolls after Icicles.
• Remember when killing the ghost walls to grab the gold that drops. (25 gold per kill, you need pickup range to grab the drops that are outside the bridge on the bottom.)
• After level 100 or whatever, go take all your scrolls and chests and take EXP. Convert the levels into gold with fallback traits. (the later you leave this the better, but it isn't that significant past 100. in my example, i probably could have got level 150+ but i picked up as they dropped and was very lazy killing things)
• Avoid unlocking any extra traits from items or the hero you choose. e.g. fire affinity from firewalker boots

Here was a quick one i just did. As you can see i made 0 effort to not take damage. 8608 gold collected from the map alone. 20k+ gold per run including bonuses from survival and torment score. To increase this to 25k ish take as little damage as possible. (Torment score goes up with less damage taken, and so you can get 2-4k more gold, i think you need under 500 for max bonus.)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3116931910
Good luck!

EDIT: You probably wouldn't need many shrine bonuses for this build. Movement / Pickup / Gold gain / Multistrike / Force / Area / Range / Frost. The big one is getting as many achi's as possible for the +exp, but you could probably do this strat quite early on in a reset for 15k gold or so per run.

[Wintermute]

No, i don't have even basic hailstorm yet. So the ghost wall is killable, huh?

[🌺💗Tazzamorous💗🌺]

Originally posted by Wintermute:

No, i don't have even basic hailstorm yet. So the ghost wall is killable, huh?

You can do it with electrify on kugelblitz with sorceress (and a lot of other ways tbh), but its a lot more work than hailstorm.