Force

[Wadowicki Goblin]

This game is already cryptic enough, what does force EXACTLY do? I mean exact numbers and what it affects.

[Ulyaoth]

Force is just the merge between Duration and Piercing, with additional Knockback on Melee attacks and Beast Huntress Spear.

Piercing
- amount of enemies hit behind each other with a projectile
- Chain Lightning chains

Duration
- Summon Lifetime
- some lifetime of Projectiles (e.g. Kugelblitz, Arcane Splinters)

Knockback for Melee/other Attacks is the only new addition.
- Swordsman MW, Cleric MW, Radiant Aura, Norseman MW etc.

So for a breakdown, what Force does on wich:
Archer - Piercing MW
Beast Huntress - Piercing MW + Knockback MW <- not sure about that
Cleric - Knockback MW
Exterminator - Flame Lifetime MW
Norseman - Knockback MW
Shieldmaiden - Knockback MW / Shieldbash
Sorceress - Chain Lightning Piercing
Swordsman - Nockback MW
Warlock - Piercing / Ghost Lifetime, although I never saw them expire when they travel

Arcane Rift - Rift Lifetime
Arcane Splinters - Splinter Lifetime
Astronomer's Orbs - none
Clay Golem - Roll Duration / Knockback
Dragon's Breath - Knockback with Heat Blast
Flame Strike - Knockback
Frost Avalanche - Knockback
Kugelblitz - Orb Lifetime / Chain Lightning Pericing
Lightning Strike - none
Meteor Strike - none
Phantom Needles - Piercing
Radiant Aura - Knockback
Ring Blades - Knockback
Spirit Warrior - Knockback
Transfixion - Piercing, but unneccessary

Demonic Bond, Necromancer's Clutch, Pest Ring - Summon Lifetime [/quote]

[Ignis Beat]

had the same question, thanks!

[Wadowicki Goblin]

So Force do different things in different characters? Well, that an important information that is COMPLETELY missing from in game discription. Thanks for elaborate answer.

[fromage_enrage]

Originally posted by Ulyaoth:

Force is just the merge between Duration and Piercing, with additional Knockback on Melee attacks and Beast Huntress Spear.

Piercing
- amount of enemies hit behind each other with a projectile
- Chain Lightning chains

Duration
- Summon Lifetime
- some lifetime of Projectiles (e.g. Kugelblitz, Arcane Splinters)

Knockback for Melee/other Attacks is the only new addition.
- Swordsman MW, Cleric MW, Radiant Aura, Norseman MW etc.

So for a breakdown, what Force does on wich:
Archer - Piercing MW
Beast Huntress - Piercing MW + Knockback MW <- not sure about that
Cleric - Knockback MW
Exterminator - Flame Lifetime MW
Norseman - Knockback MW
Shieldmaiden - Knockback MW / Shieldbash
Sorceress - Chain Lightning Piercing
Swordsman - Nockback MW
Warlock - Piercing / Ghost Lifetime, although I never saw them expire when they travel

Arcane Rift - Rift Lifetime
Arcane Splinters - Splinter Lifetime
Astronomer's Orbs - none
Clay Golem - Roll Duration / Knockback
Dragon's Breath - Knockback with Heat Blast
Flame Strike - Knockback
Frost Avalanche - Knockback
Kugelblitz - Orb Lifetime / Chain Lightning Pericing
Lightning Strike - none
Meteor Strike - none
Phantom Needles - Piercing
Radiant Aura - Knockback
Ring Blades - Knockback
Spirit Warrior - Knockback
Transfixion - Piercing, but unneccessary

Demonic Bond, Necromancer's Clutch, Pest Ring - Summon Lifetime

[/quote]

For f sake.
Are the devs too fing lazy to write this on the tootips?

[Barabulka]

Devs of this game love to give zero info about perks in game and make perk name completely unintuitive.

[Czaele]

"Force" implies knockback, and the tooltip vaguely alludes to it doing a few different random things, which really doesn't help.
Memorizing Ulyaoth's list up there is not realistic, so you basically gotta treat it like a "does all the other stuff" stat.
Knockback, piercing, summon duration, some projectile duration.

Dunno, it's just a pain. Kinda wish it was named something else, and that the stat screen told you what stats it's raising per attack.

[Wadowicki Goblin]

If Force also affects "summon duration" isn't it make Swordsman a god tier summoner since he had 30 force? When most classes have 3? Huntress have 10 I guess... Seriously, it should be clear up by dev. Look at Brotato. Even in the demo, not even mentioning EA or Full game every single stats, both primary and secondary (and there's like 30-40 of them) have extensive description that clears anything.

[Ulyaoth]

Originally posted by Jobin:

If Force also affects "summon duration" isn't it make Swordsman a god tier summoner since he had 30 force?

No, since his base force doesnt affect summon lifetime at all.
They have their own base force (hidden stat)

[fromage_enrage]

Originally posted by Ulyaoth:

Originally posted by Jobin:

If Force also affects "summon duration" isn't it make Swordsman a god tier summoner since he had 30 force?

No, since his base force doesnt affect summon lifetime at all.
They have their own base force (hidden stat)

Shouldn't be hidden imo. Next patch maybe

[doombybbr]

Avalanche has a FORCE node, which provides range

EVEN THOUGH IT ALREADY GOES FULL SCREEN AND HAS FORCE 99999

But I agree with you, I kinda wish every skill has a "force effect" info, also a lot of skills are missing details on their stats, like how meteor does not even list its crit chance

[lefiath]

This needs to be one of the first things the devs change, so we can actually see what on earth the upgrade does... I imagine I've wasted so much potential by investing into it playing as Exterminator, as it seems entirely pointless for him, I already get so many buffs to fire, this is unnecessary.

[angminas]

What's MW?

[Ulyaoth]

Originally posted by angminas:

What's MW?

Main Weapon