Shield maiden challenge help 2000 crit enemy

[Prof. Bread]

Hello,
i tried a few times the crit 2000 enemies challenge with different builds, but the highest count was around 1700.
i dont understand how you can crit 2000 enemies with shield maidens main weapon
it is slow and has not really range...
Would love to hear some advices! :D

[Ulyaoth]

Hi,

--- Equipment ---
Wind Crown +50% attack speed when fast killing
Jade Amulet +50% xp (good but not neccessary)
Echoing Band 20% chance for splash dmg
Wooden Ring +10% crit
Blood-Soaked Shirt 1% chance health on kill (good but not neccessary)
Runner Shoes +15% move speed (pick what you want)
Quickhand Gloves +20 attack speed

pick Thunder Strike or Kugelblitz ability (to unlock Lightning Affinty), map 1 is okay becuase hordes of enemys, or map 3 and hug the ghost wall.

Priortize crit chance and Lightning Affinity, attack speed
rest is up to you.

crit chance +25%
Lightning Affinity +15%
Wooden Ring + 10%
base +5%
total +55%

Proficient Stance I - IV Dextrous for +60% attack speed

Good Luck
Cheers!

[Jaeus]

Ulya's advice is somewhat bizarre as always.
The achievement is to Crit with the Hammer 2000 times, not Crit with other random things. Something like Kugelblitz is a terrible recommendation since it will kill heaps of enemies meaning your hammer can't crit them.
And I don't know if Echoing Band's splash damage can even crit.

I would actually recommend Thunder Ring because taking it means the Hammer can benefit from Lightning Affinity's Crit Chance as well. I didn't need it for my clear of this achievement but it would enable even more crits.

For abilities, if your sole goal is this achievement, then abilities which are terrible at killing many enemies are recommended. Arcane Splinters, Phantom Darts(?), Transfixion, Lightning Strike.
Honestly, going map 1 or map 2 might be probably better, and you get much fewer abilities on map 1 anyway but can still wrack up over 30,000 enemy spawns. The goal is just don't die while your hammer hits things here.
I don't know if Range and Area/Cone have any beneficial effect on the hammer, probably some Area.

Just focus Crit Chance + Attack Speed and build up Regen and defensive stats since you'll be getting hit a lot of little times.

[Ulyaoth]

Originally posted by Jaeus:

Ulya's advice is somewhat bizarre as always.

I am so sry for my "bizzare" advice that got me the achievement...
Please teach us the ONLY way, Jaeus, as always!

Originally posted by Jaeus:

Something like Kugelblitz is a terrible recommendation since it will kill heaps of enemies meaning your hammer can't crit them.

Kugelblitz CAN kill many, yes but especially on map one are heaps of enemys and more than enough left to kill. And not to mention that you can buiild it with low damage, so most enemys dont even die...
base damage 30 / crit bonus 34
So from the getgo Kugelblitz cant even kill the basic skeleton...
Every ability is capeable of killing tons of enemys btw.

Originally posted by Jaeus:

I would actually recommend Thunder Ring because taking it means the Hammer can benefit from Lightning Affinity's Crit Chance as well.

Be careful with that. Thunderring changes the behaviour of your main weapon and some achievemts are uncompleteable with Thunder/Fire Ring. Dont know if this is also true for this one.
But you dont need the Thunder Ring for the effect of Lightning Affinitys crit chance.
It is a flat bonus to over all crit chance, aplying to everything that can crit.
So you can get this with either Kugelblitz or Thunder Strike.

Detailed build options for Thunder Strike/Kugelblitz low dmg
Kugelblitz
Voltage - Discharge - Voltage - Discharge - Voltage -
Discharge - Voltage - Discharge - Voltage - Discharge
With this Kugelblitz stayes at its base values with low damage, only the electrify tick will deal damage. With build up movement speed you can even outrun projectiles.

Thunder Strike
Conductivity - Conductivity - Repercussion - Conductivity - Conductivity -
Repercussion - Conductivity - Conductivity - Intensity - Repercussion
Low attack speed, very low base damage, TS will probably stop killing anything.

Best option is still dont level the abilitys at all, just pick them for Lightning Affinity.

[Jaeus]

Originally posted by Ulyaoth:

I am so sry for my "bizzare" advice that got me the achievement...
Please teach us the ONLY way, Jaeus, as always!

You're quite rude for someone who gave sabotaging advice. I was being polite unlike most people who would screech and throw insults at someone giving advice that actively makes the achievement harder.

Originally posted by Ulyaoth:

But you dont need the Thunder Ring for the effect of Lightning Affinitys crit chance.
It is a flat bonus to over all crit chance, aplying to everything that can crit.

Edit: And I opened to confirm. You're entirely right, Lightning Affinity's Crit Chance % bonus is generic and applies. Good catch. :)

I'd still recommend Thunder Strike if you're worried Kugelblitz will be TOO good at existing, though you can also avoid Kugel upgrades and it shouldn't steal too many targets.

[Ulyaoth]

Originally posted by Jaeus:

You're quite rude for someone who gave sabotaging advice. I was being polite unlike most people who would screech and throw insults at someone giving advice that actively makes the achievement harder.

Sry, but there is nothing polite about your behavior.
Sabotaging?
Giving Transfixion as an advive with higher base damage vs Kugelblitz?!
Shall someone call this sabotage?

Don't know what you are really trying to do here idc...
But please dont try to justify your "politness" with THIS nonesense.


@Prof.Bread
If you are still struggeling wait for the beta to come live.
If you want a surprise, dont read further.
You get potions wich allow you to double the effect of a trait 3x. So you can increase crit chance from 25% to 40% and make this significant easier.

[Housemaster3k]

Kugelblitz does seem like the safer choice when it comes to not killing, and letting your short range melee weapon do the work.

Thunderstrike would kill things, but not keep them directly away. also a decent choice.

The ability with blades is not too dangerous early.

Transfixion would kill where you are aiming, so its probably not the best choice.

Dragon breath is right out. too much damage where you want to be aiming.

the needles is probably ok, but not with too many upgrades.

The abilities i would use would probably be kugelblitz and the blade ability.

ill have to see if i can get that soon.

[Ulyaoth]

@Housemaster3k

If you have the time and patience, could you try to do it with Thunder Ring only?
I am highly interessted if the crtis still count when you change your main weapon to lightning.

This would mean you dont have to pick any ability at all and simply can focus on the Shield maiden itself, but still get the benefit of Lightning Affinty.

[Asmosis]

You need to pick a skill that can crit as early as possible, as the shield maiden base attacks aren't eligible to get the +5% crit chance perk for some weird reason.

I picked one of the arrow skills (transfixion?) and skipped all the others, just used her mace attack and eventually cleared the level focusing on aspd/crit chance and the rest into being a super tank.

I think gear was
10% crit chance ring
40% aspd when stationary ring
+50% dmg with stuff inside pickup radius amulet
+20% aspd gloves (30% additional strike are better)
blood soaked shirt

I didnt have lightning affinity unlocked or potions.

Now that i have it though i can confirm lightning affinity crit chance bonus is for all skills. If it was just for lightning, it would say it on the trait description plus you can see it on the status screen of all your skills (just shows up as ":5%" for me though, no long description).

[Housemaster3k]

Originally posted by Ulyaoth:

@Housemaster3k

If you have the time and patience, could you try to do it with Thunder Ring only?
I am highly interessted if the crtis still count when you change your main weapon to lightning.

This would mean you dont have to pick any ability at all and simply can focus on the Shield maiden itself, but still get the benefit of Lightning Affinty.

I want to be sure I understand the challange.

Dont pick up skills, just use shield maiden. Make sure to have thunder ring. other equipment shouldn't matter right?

Wind crown
the jacket that can regain life
a crit chance ring
thunder ring
multistrike gloves or attack speed gloves
movespeed boots
XP amulet

[Ulyaoth]

@ Housemaster3k

Steady Shield (Shield Maiden Story Questlog)
right row, 2nd from top: "Direct Hits"
Crit enemies 2000 enemies qith your main attack in one run. Shield bash doesn't count.
Character: Shield Maiden

Your gear looks good.
My main interest is, if you wear the thunder ring, do the crits count towards the achievement. With Thunder Ring you gain access to Lightning Affinity (if you have it unlocked), wich gives you additional +15% crit chance, without the neccessaty to pick any lightning ability.

So every kill you do is either your main weapon or Shield bash.

IF the crits count, this would make the whole thing alot easier.
IF NOT, you should (but not have to) pick Kugelblitz or Lightning Strike to gain Lightning Affinity. Best option then would be to not lvl the abilitys.

Another thing, that @Asmosis mentioned.
The Shield Maiden may not get the Cunning Technique trait (+25% crit chance), without having an ability that has crit capeabilitys. So this would be interesting too.

Hope I made myself clear,
Good Luck, Cheers!

[Housemaster3k]

Ok, I beat the challange, and learned something interesting.

I did it in haunted cavern
I did it without picking up abilities.
I had the following gear

Wind crown
Jade amulett
Runner shoes
Blood-soaked shirt
Hunting gloves
Seal of rebirth
Ring of thunder

I was offered the Lightning affinity skill for the +15 crit total

The interesting part was I was NOT offered the standard crit bonus for +25 crit total

So to answer your main question. Yes, Crits while wearing the Thunder ring do count toward this achievement, but there may be an unintended side effect lessening your chances of success. Some testing may need to be done to determine if you arent offered the standard crit if you dont have any physical attacks.

If you cant get standard crit, then getting thunderstrike or kugelblitz, and keeping it at minimum power instead of using the ring of thunder.

I made it to about lvl 75, and got every skill except duration, and 2 levels of swift foot.

[Ulyaoth]

Originally posted by Housemaster3k:

Ok, I beat the challange, and learned something interesting.

I did it in haunted cavern
I did it without picking up abilities.
I had the following gear

Wind crown
Jade amulett
Runner shoes
Blood-soaked shirt
Hunting gloves
Seal of rebirth
Ring of thunder

I was offered the Lightning affinity skill for the +15 crit total

The interesting part was I was NOT offered the standard crit bonus for +25 crit total

So to answer your main question. Yes, Crits while wearing the Thunder ring do count toward this achievement, but there may be an unintended side effect lessening your chances of success. Some testing may need to be done to determine if you arent offered the standard crit if you dont have any physical attacks.

If you cant get standard crit, then getting thunderstrike or kugelblitz, and keeping it at minimum power instead of using the ring of thunder.

I made it to about lvl 75, and got every skill except duration, and 2 levels of swift foot.

Thank you very much.
There seem to be a bug with Cunning Technique, i made a testrun and even without any of those rings i could't get it. As soon as i picked up a ability around lvl 20 (Transfixion), i could get Cunning Technique. Rutheless was avaible from the start.

So until this is fixed, picking a lightning ability seems to be the best option.

Thanks again for claryfication.
Congrats for the Quest,
Cheers!

[Housemaster3k]

Yep. I just did my own test runs, and found that picking lightning strike unlocks cunning technique and lightning affinity.

so, I would say my recommendation for getting the achievement would be wearing the following gear

Wind crown (More attack speed means more chances for crits)
Jade amulett (faster levels means higher crit sooner)
Runner shoes (Not critical, but movement speed is good for survival)
Blood-soaked shirt (Best in slot for life regeneration)
Hunting gloves (multi-attack does trigger, and is multiplicative with attack speed)
Wooden ring (The one that gives 10% crit chance for obvious reasons)
Seal of rebirth (An extra chance doesnt hurt, and echoing band may kill too much)

Pick up lightning strike or kugelblitz to unlock Lightning affinity and Cunning technique for a combined + 40% crit chance.

Don't pick up any upgrades to lightning strike till the very end. last 4 minutes or so, or after lvl 65ish.

Shield maiden is quite durable with the defensive skills picked up first, so my order of priority of skills would probably be the following

Defensive (increases in parry or defense. If the choice occurs, get the defense with attack speed over anything else) (Having enough defenses makes most attacks have little to no effect. Survival is almost guarantied with this.)

Crit chance (Lightning affinity, and cunning technique to get those 2000 crits with mace hits)

Area coverage and range (more enemies show up, and you need area damage to survive)

Damage (more damage for tougher enemies showing up)

Life and life regen (more defense is good. Can be picked up before damage if you wish)

critical damage (very unimportant, but still more important than lightning)

lightning increases (Only good for fighting the final boss and the final massive waves of the last 4 minutes.)

speed (Doesn't hurt or help. Pick up as you want. some people may find move speed better than actual defenses)

duration (absolutely no effect. picking this up is like picking nothing at all.)


total crit chance should come out to 55%. If you pick the mace mastery skills, then your crit damage will be above 3000 making the final boss very dooable.

[Gaz ja nai]

You have to pick up any ability that can crit, or upgrade any non-critting ability to crit to start getting Cunning Technique, even if your main weapon has crit chance. Not sure if bug or intended.

[Prof. Bread]

Sorry, because of work i could not read the comments until now...
Thanks for everyones advices :D

until now i dont have the thunder ring.
Also i didnt know that some traits have requirments (i dont mean the achiments but that you need to have the thunder ring etc), i thought they come random xD