Asio4All

[Avaatar]

Im reading very often about latency problems when playing RS or RS 2014. I dont experience this at all, but i have Asio4All installed.
Maybe this helps? Anybody want to try out and can maybe confirm it?
P.s.: For Win8 use the latest Beta, Win7 works with the official stable release.

[Juppstein]

I think it does not matter if you have ASIO4all installed when it comes to RS because RS does not trigger it. AFAIK ASIO4all is only activated the moment an application requires ASIO features/drivers, i.e. when you start stuff like GuitarRig or Cubase.

[ancalimon]

Rocksmith does not support Asio or Asi4All. Even if it did support asio4all and it allowed us the choose the different audio engine, it would also need to support two audio cards at the same time since while processed guitar sound output is playing through asio4all, no other sound can play through that sound card because asio4all locks the sound card.

Rocskmith 2014 should also be able to support a second sound card through which other sounds (like the songs or sound effects) could play.

Of course if you had a professional sound card like those produced by Focusrite, Esi, Maudio, ... most of those support different audio streams to play on the same soundcard through their own ASIO drivers.

[wobbles]

1/2 true, there has been scuttlebutt of some people getting ASIO hardware to work in RS14, I wont go into details as i'm not sure what UBI stance is on it, but it does work and thanks to the ASIO drivers/hardware the latency is only 1ms or two.

[ancalimon]

Originally posted by wobbles:

1/2 true, there has been scuttlebutt of some people getting ASIO hardware to work in RS14, I wont go into details as i'm not sure what UBI stance is on it, but it does work and thanks to the ASIO drivers/hardware the latency is only 1ms or two.

This is not possible without hacking Rocksmith software since it does not allow you to choose which sound driver to use. You can of course use sound cards that support ASIO, only not in ASIO mode.

Also, there isn't any ASIO sound card that can go to latencies as low as 1ms. Around 10ms is more realistic but even then you would need PCI interfaces that are very expensive rather than USB or Firewire to achive that low latency (around 10ms 12ms) without CPU spikes.

[wobbles]

Originally posted by ancalimon:

Originally posted by wobbles:

1/2 true, there has been scuttlebutt of some people getting ASIO hardware to work in RS14, I wont go into details as i'm not sure what UBI stance is on it, but it does work and thanks to the ASIO drivers/hardware the latency is only 1ms or two.

This is not possible without hacking Rocksmith software since it does not allow you to choose which sound driver to use. You can of course use sound cards that support ASIO, only not in ASIO mode.

Also, there isn't any ASIO sound card that can go to latencies as low as 1ms. Around 10ms is more realistic but even then you would need PCI interfaces that are very expensive rather than USB or Firewire to achive that low latency (around 10ms 12ms) without CPU spikes.

I use a presonus firepro and a PCIE audio processor (I do production work) so my audio workflow bypasses windows driver layers almoast completely and digitally process the audio onboard and spits it put to my studio monitors, my only latency is caused by the software itself, which is midigated by SSDs and such.

While i dont expect anybody to have equipment like mine without being in a similiar industry, the underlying point was that ASIO support is possible in RD14 and Ubi should have allowed it, but for those crafty enough there are work arounds that work fantastic.

[nuggy1964]

doesnt make you a better guitar player either?

[ancalimon]

Originally posted by nuggy1964:

doesnt make you a better guitar player either?

Lower latencies actually makes you better :) It increases your precision. At least it makes playing guitar more fun.

[nuggy1964]

bull**** , . the only lag that needs fixing on rocksmith 2014 is the lag between aural and Visual cortexes to hand reaction.

[ancalimon]

Originally posted by nuggy1964:

bull**** , . the only lag that needs fixing on rocksmith 2014 is the lag between aural and Visual cortexes to hand reaction.

That is sort of the thing what we have been discussing all this time. :)

Ideally when you play a string, the sound should immediately come from your computer's speaker. Latency is the time which passes between when you play the string and when you hear the processed sound through your computer's speaker.

So if you think of your computer's speaker as your monitor, in order to play without getting confused you ideally need zero latency. You get confused because when latency is not small enough, especially if you are playing a fast song, by the time you start playing the next note, your speaker would still be playing the previous notes. This makes playing faster songs confusing as hell.

[wraith7201]

Originally posted by ancalimon:

Ideally when you play a string, the sound should immediately come from your computer's speaker. Latency is the time which passes between when you play the string and when you hear the processed sound through your computer's speaker.

So if you think of your computer's speaker as your monitor, in order to play without getting confused you ideally need zero latency.

Latency less than 20ms is barely percetible to the human ear, 8ms-16ms is ideal. You do not need 0 latency, which would be technically impossible anyway, since even the speed of light isn't immediate.

[ancalimon]

Originally posted by Rogue203:

Originally posted by ancalimon:

Ideally when you play a string, the sound should immediately come from your computer's speaker. Latency is the time which passes between when you play the string and when you hear the processed sound through your computer's speaker.

So if you think of your computer's speaker as your monitor, in order to play without getting confused you ideally need zero latency.

Latency less than 20ms is barely percetible to the human ear, 8ms-16ms is ideal. You do not need 0 latency, which would be technically impossible anyway, since even the speed of light isn't immediate.

Yes I know 20ms is barely perceivable. That's why I said "ideally" because 0 latency is better than 20ms or 1ms latency and I know that it's not possible.

[wobbles]

Originally posted by I.R. Dianetics:

Support is not possible. It may be capable. But support implies developer support which it still is not supported.
You can hack etc to make things work, but thats on you and not supported. Also it possibly voids your software agreement.
Its not recommended and you really shouldn't be talking about it here.

If your just here to argue symantics then have fun arguing with yourself. Fact is at the software level RS is fully capeable of supporting ASIO devices, they CHOSE not to for the simple reason of avoiding piracy. I should not have to "hack", as you so put it, to get my pro level interfaces to work to avoid using their POS cable.

Originally posted by nuggy1964:

bull**** , . the only lag that needs fixing on rocksmith 2014 is the lag between aural and Visual cortexes to hand reaction.

If you cant notice the LATENCY (not lag) then good on you, but trust me, its there...



The point I was trying to make is simple folks, so I sont know why the fanboys are jumping on me for pointing out a couple shortcummings. Fact is I purchased the product thus I have every bit the right to point out its flaws. Overall its actually a great product BUT it could had been BETTER if they accounted for those of us who while few, may actually have pro equipment.

[nuggy1964]

ooh sorry after i split the signal through me gnx4 one half clean goes through a vox ac30 which is fed into a blackstar 4*12 stack the other goes back into the computer an out into another 4*12 cabinet. i was too busy playing rocksmith to notice any latency. i must be doing all right though i got the 60 credits from the first rocksmith and 45 to date on this one.

[wraith7201]

Originally posted by wobbles:

The point I was trying to make is simple folks, so I sont know why the fanboys are jumping on me for pointing out a couple shortcummings. Fact is I purchased the product thus I have every bit the right to point out its flaws. Overall its actually a great product BUT it could had been BETTER if they accounted for those of us who while few, may actually have pro equipment.

You have every right to point out flaws that you perceive in the game. The rest of us have the right to debate those flaws with you, if we don't agree. I don't see anyone telling you that you can't voice your opinion; even if we don't agree with you. That's not a bunch of 'fanboys' jumping on you.

[wobbles]

Originally posted by Rogue203:

Originally posted by wobbles:

The point I was trying to make is simple folks, so I sont know why the fanboys are jumping on me for pointing out a couple shortcummings. Fact is I purchased the product thus I have every bit the right to point out its flaws. Overall its actually a great product BUT it could had been BETTER if they accounted for those of us who while few, may actually have pro equipment.

You have every right to point out flaws that you perceive in the game. The rest of us have the right to debate those flaws with you, if we don't agree. I don't see anyone telling you that you can't voice your opinion; even if we don't agree with you. That's not a bunch of 'fanboys' jumping on you.

You dont consider the post below yours a fanboy jumping on me? lol

Originally posted by I.R. Dianetics:

Originally posted by wobbles:

If your just here to argue symantics then have fun arguing with yourself. Fact is at the software level RS is fully capeable of supporting ASIO devices, they CHOSE not to for the simple reason of avoiding piracy. I should not have to "hack", as you so put it, to get my pro level interfaces to work to avoid using their POS cable.

If you cant notice the LATENCY (not lag) then good on you, but trust me, its there...

The point I was trying to make is simple folks, so I sont know why the fanboys are jumping on me for pointing out a couple shortcummings. Fact is I purchased the product thus I have every bit the right to point out its flaws. Overall its actually a great product BUT it could had been BETTER if they accounted for those of us who while few, may actually have pro equipment.

Im not arguing semantics here.
You have to hack your software to make ASIO4ALL to work. This voids your software liscence and it is not supported by the developers. They never promised ASIO4ALL in fact on all marketing materials they said the RealTone cable is required. So no you don't have the right to complain because they warned you in advance.

They chose not to so they don't have to support a variety of interfaces. Support is much easier if you only have to config and troubleshoot 1 interface. The other reason was to allow them to go multiplatform. You need to remember this is a multiplatform game, and pc is definately not the lead platform.

This is not production software ASIO4ALL is not supported. It is not going to be supported. If you are going to continue to cry about something that was not promised send your tears to Ubisoft.

Properly setup RS2014 with the realtone cable provides <20ms latency which is well low enough for most people not to notice.

Calling people "fanboys" because they point out the flaws in your argument is childish. You have no right to use ASIO4ALL or your production equipment. Rocksmith/Ubisoft is not required to give you this support. How self righteous are you?

They accounted for you people with pro-audio equipment and guess what they said...
They don't care. Supporting a variety of devices takes away development time and funds. UBI SF is a small studio, its not an Assassin's Creed studio or anything like that. Deal with it.

What your doing is pretty much the literal definition of arguing symantics lol. My point is and alwayse has been they could have easily supported ASIO devices. They chose not to support ASIO in hopes of turning the cable into a "dongle", has nothing to do with support because anybody that owns a pro grade audio interface already knows how to work it. Doing this was shortsighted and just plain silly. You arguing symantics and completely missing the heart of the point is what is childish here and the only person doing any crying is you, the rest of us are trying to have an adult conversation, but what else is to be expected on here i guess.