Professional Sound Cards

[Kazmor]

When u got professional recording equipment do u still need that real tone cable and are they supported? ( in my case its an focusrite Saffire pro 40 firewire sound card)

greetings

[Buck]

Please read the store page for info. Rocksmith REQUIRES the use of the RealTone cable.

Yes, there are ways around that, but we don't discuss that sort of thing here, and it's NOT officially supported (we don't help anyone working around the cable either)

Professional sound cards can indeed work with Rocksmith, and work well, but they're not optimal. Rocksmith was designed with consumer level sound devices in mind.

With that said, While Firewire is slightly faster than USB 2.0, FW sound devices will likely suffer similar latency problems that USB devices do. Again, this doesn't mean it can't or won't work, but it's not optimal. Using a PCI-E sound device with Analog speakers is best

The Rocksmith setup guide is a good place to start with getting the program configured for best performance.

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/802854-Rocksmith-2014-PC-Configuration-and-FAQ-Forums

[Kazmor]

I got under 1ms delay with my soundcard usually and dont have another soundcard build into the pc cause it woud ♥♥♥♥ up my drivers. However - if it dont works this way this is just not for me.

Thanks for ur great help.

[Buck]

Originally posted by Kazmor:

sl and dont have another soundcard build into the pc cause it woud ♥♥♥♥ up my drivers.

Pretty much every PC ever made has a basic onboard sound device nowadays. It's usually not an issue to have multiple sound devices active. you just need to change the default output device or configure rocksmith to use a particular sound device as desired.

However - if it dont works this way this is just not for me.

I didn't say it won't work. It most likely will, you just need to be aware that there may be specific issues or whatnot that might need to be dealt with.

[Kazmor]

Originally posted by Buck:

Originally posted by Kazmor:

sl and dont have another soundcard build into the pc cause it woud ♥♥♥♥ up my drivers.

Pretty much every PC ever made has a basic onboard sound device nowadays. It's usually not an issue to have multiple sound devices active. you just need to change the default output device or configure rocksmith to use a particular sound device as desired.

However - if it dont works this way this is just not for me.

I didn't say it won't work. It most likely will, you just need to be aware that there may be specific issues or whatnot that might need to be dealt with.

This is actually a working audio workstation, i know how to setup drivers and all that, the problem is here, that it will ♥♥♥♥ with other software i use every day.

I checked out some guides to use it without that real tone cable wich involves cracks, .exe files and mostly the dlc's wont work. Thats no real solution for me.

The cable itself is totaly overpriced here in germany btw. (looks like a 2€ cable but costs 20€+)
Not much difference between getting the cable+steam sale and just get the regular boxed version.
Thats actually kinda stupid.

Greetings, and thanks again.

[rcole_sooner]

I have an E-MU 1820 audio interface on my main studio/gaming PC.

I have no problems with the Rocksmith and the RealTone cable.

The 2 exist along side each other just fine.

Most instrument to PC USB cables are going to be $10 or more, so the $30 for the RealTone is a little high. Still not really anything to get too worked up over.

IMO, if one is buying a boxed PC version of Rocksmith, one is only doing it to get the cable, as a newer version of the game will most certainly be downloaded immediately.

[grimlog]

Originally posted by Kazmor:

The cable itself is totaly overpriced here in germany btw. (looks like a 2€ cable but costs 20€+)

The "cable" actually is a USB-soundcard with only a single input channel. And I have no idea, where you buy your cables. But I cannot find a single one with the quality of the RT cable, that's only 2€.

[905]

It is too bad they didn't design this just for high end studio pcs. That way almost no one could have used it and they would be losing money. Instead they designed a cable that works on XBOX, XBOX 1, PS 3, PS 4 and PC. As a matter of fact, the original game RS came out on consoles a year before it came out on PC. I have RS 2014 on 3 PCs and can play it at home and work. IT is on my laptop and so it is portable for me.

I find it a bit surprising that you don't have more than one PC if you have some recording PC. If it didn't work on your main pc, what about a laptop? It would be nice if they didn't require the cable, but they have a single device for all platforms. That is for their ease of support.

It works for many many people. I'm sorry that appearently you wont be abel to have the fun the rest of us have.

[Kazmor]

Originally posted by 905:

It is too bad they didn't design this just for high end studio pcs. That way almost no one could have used it and they would be losing money. Instead they designed a cable that works on XBOX, XBOX 1, PS 3, PS 4 and PC. As a matter of fact, the original game RS came out on consoles a year before it came out on PC. I have RS 2014 on 3 PCs and can play it at home and work. IT is on my laptop and so it is portable for me.

I find it a bit surprising that you don't have more than one PC if you have some recording PC. If it didn't work on your main pc, what about a laptop? It would be nice if they didn't require the cable, but they have a single device for all platforms. That is for their ease of support.

It works for many many people. I'm sorry that appearently you wont be abel to have the fun the rest of us have.

Well, just support asio what all FREE audio software is able 2, woudnt be a that hard problem!? - Since it works with a simple fix for the .exe file (sure without dlc's) prooves that its not big of a problem to simply support it. My problem here is that they want to get my cash for an overpriced cable. Thats all I'm saying, and its kinda sad, cause this way they lose out my money for the programm itself. I understand what u mean with xbox and all of that, but if u know something about the drivers and stuff u know that its only not here, cause they dont want it.

Why surprised? U usually need a good room for mixing and recording, no need for other positions. 1PC works fine since u can have 2 seperate platforms with alot of seperate hard-drives.

Originally posted by rcole_sooner:

I have an E-MU 1820 audio interface on my main studio/gaming PC.

I have no problems with the Rocksmith and the RealTone cable.

The 2 exist along side each other just fine.

Most instrument to PC USB cables are going to be $10 or more, so the $30 for the RealTone is a little high. Still not really anything to get too worked up over.

Thanks for that information, u get pretty awesome cables for 30$, it just seems like an overpriced DRM (all telling its not DRM, but if other cable simply dont work, its some kind of DRm, isnt it?) since, from pictures i can tell it dont looks as good as comparable audio cables for the price.

Originally posted by grimlog:

Originally posted by Kazmor:

The cable itself is totaly overpriced here in germany btw. (looks like a 2€ cable but costs 20€+)

The "cable" actually is a USB-soundcard with only a single input channel. And I have no idea, where you buy your cables. But I cannot find a single one with the quality of the RT cable, that's only 2€.

There we go. Well no need to keep it word for word, u knew what i meant with that.

Lets say the want 15€ for the cable i dont need i woud think about it. But double that is kinda harsh.

Whatever, thanks all for ur answers, I'm thinking about it.

Greetings.

[PsYcHo SaMuRai]

I understand the OP's delimna. Setting up a DAW computer usually means disabling any onboard drivers and audio devices. I keep all bloatware and anything that interferes or is unneccesary for my audio recording purposes. I too have had issues with any program that adds audio drivers. They can mess with my current drivers for my audio interface and it is a serious PITA to undo.
I also keep all my guitars and instruments in a room specifically for practicing and recording so I would rather not have to move to another room with my guitars or set up another computer to play this.
That being said, I think this would be a good program to be able to practice with in between recording sessions.
To the OP, I think you're pretty much stuck buying a RT cable or making one yourself if you can.
You'd think that we could just plug in and use our existing equipments/ drivers but with all the different configurations out there, I don't think they found it feasible to go this route without creating a huge back log of user issues to address.

[Kazmor]

Originally posted by PsYcHo SaMuRai:

I understand the OP's delimna. Setting up a DAW computer usually means disabling any onboard drivers and audio devices. I keep all bloatware and anything that interferes or is unneccesary for my audio recording purposes. I too have had issues with any program that adds audio drivers. They can mess with my current drivers for my audio interface and it is a serious PITA to undo.
I also keep all my guitars and instruments in a room specifically for practicing and recording so I would rather not have to move to another room with my guitars or set up another computer to play this.
That being said, I think this would be a good program to be able to practice with in between recording sessions.
To the OP, I think you're pretty much stuck buying a RT cable or making one yourself if you can.
You'd think that we could just plug in and use our existing equipments/ drivers but with all the different configurations out there, I don't think they found it feasible to go this route without creating a huge back log of user issues to address.

Yeah thats kinda my point. But they dont have to support every soundcard, they just shoud support asio, wich is no big deal in my world. Whatever it just sounds kinda stupid to take over this, comparable, bad cable over the stuff we allready got (2 others, we musicans are usually little antiquated ;P). To Make that sure, i dont want them 2 support my audio interface, that woud be stupid, but with simply allowing asio drivers, u can work arround it yourself pretty fast if it dont works right from the start.

My main problem is how they want u 2 use this cable even if (and the moded files proves this) some simple changes makes it useable with nearly any audio interface. (due to changing files u simply cant use DLC's and stuff, cause u cant go online - wich is stupid in this case)

I mean its not like i cant afford 30€ for this cable, its more like, for me its 30€ for something i dont need, i dont like this kind of buisness. Maybe i get something on ebay.

Greetings.

[PsYcHo SaMuRai]

Yeah, I see what you mean. ASIO 4 all support would sure make things easier. That would still make it plug and play without causing our driver issues and Ubi can still make their money from DLC content.
I'm about to buy it and just put it on my gaming laptop. Then I can just clear off some studio desk space for it and play. I'm not excited about have to plug in my speaker monitors to use it with as I already have enough cables to ♥♥♥ with but hopefully it's fun enough to be worthwhile.

[rcole_sooner]

Originally posted by Kazmor:

it just seems like an overpriced DRM (all telling its not DRM, but if other cable simply dont work, its some kind of DRm, isnt it?)

I thought DRM orginally, but since then have come to the conclusion it is a holdover from the way consoles have to identify various devices.

I say this since only the RockBand/GuitarHero type mics work with the game. Nothing special about that mic, other than must be some id chip buried in the circuit board. A guy on the ubisoft forums soldered a regular XLR cable to hacked apart RB mic cable and it worked with the game.

I now just figure it is just an artifact of using a console device type cable with a PC game.

Not really any digital rights being managed, just coded to deal with game console hardware.

Same for when I use my Xbox 360 wireless controllers on my PC. I have a few wireless adapters on my various PCs. One of them is a knock-off, so it is not recognized as an Xbox 360 wireless adapter. I have to do a special install to get that one working. Same hardware, but lacking an appropriate device id.

[grimlog]

The game uses wwise, an audio library made for games. This library doesn't support asio. Guys, this is a game, not professional audio SW. ASIO is for the later. asio4all would even be worse than what is there. It's an additional layer in userspace above normal windows drivers. It's only use is to be able to use professional SW with standard consumer HW, that has no ASIO-drivers. Because of this ASIO support would make the game run worse for everyone except those with (semi-)professional HW.

[Kazmor]

Originally posted by grimlog:

The game uses wwise, an audio library made for games. This library doesn't support asio. Guys, this is a game, not professional audio SW. ASIO is for the later. asio4all would even be worse than what is there. It's an additional layer in userspace above normal windows drivers. It's only use is to be able to use professional SW with standard consumer HW, that has no ASIO-drivers. Because of this ASIO support would make the game run worse for everyone except those with (semi-)professional HW.

Thanks for clearing things up for us.

[PsYcHo SaMuRai]

I'm not expecting this to be pro level audio software. We were hoping for a way to interface to this game using a different method which is understandable if we already have equipment that allows us to hook our guitars into our computers (and that the RT cable seems more costly than necessary) but I get it. There's more to it than that.
No big deal. I'll just put it on a different laptop and use the proprietary cable. I'm lucky that it isn't too expensive here in the US.