《Ghost of Tsushima導演剪輯版》

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ChubbiChibbai 2024 年 5 月 11 日 下午 7:11
Can someone please help me understand this
We all witnessed last week the rather (embarrassing?) situation with Helldivers 2 and the reaction to the PSN requirement which resulted in Sony back peddaling.

Now i come here to buy this game and see people already complaining about the need for a PSN account.

Can someone please explain why this is such a huge drama?
Surely most people who are complaining already have a PSN account - or if they don't they surely subscribe to Gamepass and have an Xbox account?

Don't these people also have twitch and prime accounts that they link for free in game items?

I mean personally i think the whole reaction is ludicrous but maybe i just don't understand it. I've seen people calling others corporate bootlickers (but again - don't you all already have accounts with...... other corporations)

So please. Can someone just explain it because i'm really missing the point i feel stupid.
最後修改者:ChubbiChibbai; 2024 年 5 月 11 日 下午 8:04
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CrazyLamer 2024 年 5 月 12 日 上午 8:34 
引用自 eaglefan20
引用自 CrazyLamer
And tens of thousands of steam accounts is being hacked every month, apple have been hacked and some have had their icloud pictures leaked online, microsoft have also been hacked and so many other companies.

And you probably have an android phone which is open to attack every second you have bluetooth and internet activated on it, especially NFC so you can tap and pay not to mention a digital credit card that most people have on their phones today can be scanned and copied with a correct NFC card reader.

Your point in this is what exactly ?

Comparing Sony hacks to others is absurd and ridiculous. Plus, the whole "you're already vulnerable so it's no big deal to make yourself more vulnerable" so-called argument is pathetic.

Is it absurd comparing being vulnerable to being vulnerable, okay then whatever you say champ.
CrazyLamer 2024 年 5 月 12 日 上午 8:35 
引用自 ☢ARMac☢
引用自 CrazyLamer
And tens of thousands of steam accounts is being hacked every month, *SNIP*

I highly doubt this. At least not with a legitimate users that have their steamguard activated and properly set up phone recovery and email.

Thousands of CS/TF2 farming accounts, yes they get not only hacked, but traded around the net like a 40 yo hussys.
Just google it, and see.
M.Spengler 2024 年 5 月 12 日 上午 8:35 
引用自 eaglefan20
I guess billion dollar corporations forcing needless requirements on devs and consumers isn't a bad thing, then. It's all part of the steady push to make gaming in general a subscription service.
Technically speaking, that's it, you only pay once - you acquire a license to use the product when you purchase it. The service and/or support for the product itself may be discontinued at any time.
shakeyourbunny 2024 年 5 月 12 日 上午 8:46 
引用自 Evangela
Imagine a hacker getting their hands on one of your accounts info, and then they see hey this guy linked his Steam account here, I'll try hijacking that too, and his CC info is also linked here!
Usually there are restrictions in place how much a linked account can see from the other one.

In addition, if you don't have different credentials for both accounts and not secured with MFA, the problem sits in front of the computer and the service provider is not at fault.
Fluffle Puff 2024 年 5 月 12 日 上午 9:19 
引用自 shakeyourbunny
引用自 Evangela
Imagine a hacker getting their hands on one of your accounts info, and then they see hey this guy linked his Steam account here, I'll try hijacking that too, and his CC info is also linked here!
Usually there are restrictions in place how much a linked account can see from the other one.

In addition, if you don't have different credentials for both accounts and not secured with MFA, the problem sits in front of the computer and the service provider is not at fault.
>Sony is not responsible for service security
The absolute state of fanboys.
CrazyLamer 2024 年 5 月 12 日 上午 9:22 
引用自 Fluffle Puff
引用自 shakeyourbunny
Usually there are restrictions in place how much a linked account can see from the other one.

In addition, if you don't have different credentials for both accounts and not secured with MFA, the problem sits in front of the computer and the service provider is not at fault.
>Sony is not responsible for service security
The absolute state of fanboys.

Sony has been hacked yea, stealing data about projects and whatnot, actual PSN regarding accounts and whatever have not been breached since 2011.
Fact check.
revanbh 2024 年 5 月 12 日 上午 9:24 
引用自 ChubbiChibbai
We all witnessed last week the rather (embarrassing?) situation with Helldivers 2 and the reaction to the PSN requirement which resulted in Sony back peddaling.

Now i come here to buy this game and see people already complaining about the need for a PSN account.

Can someone please explain why this is such a huge drama?
Surely most people who are complaining already have a PSN account - or if they don't they surely subscribe to Gamepass and have an Xbox account?

Don't these people also have twitch and prime accounts that they link for free in game items?

I mean personally i think the whole reaction is ludicrous but maybe i just don't understand it. I've seen people calling others corporate bootlickers (but again - don't you all already have accounts with...... other corporations)

So please. Can someone just explain it because i'm really missing the point i feel stupid.

I'll try to explain. When you buy Xbox games on PC, you have an option to link your Steam account to Xbox account if you wish. I have done this for example, because I already have Game Pass , so why not? It's optional and I could play the games on Steam without them if I wanted.

Now PSN and Sony are another thing. They sold Helldivers 2 with the perception that account linking is optional, then, after a few months of people buying and playing the game, they announced that after the latest update PSN account would be mandatory if people wanted to continue playing the game they have bought and played without any issues for the past couple of months. Surely you can see how this would incense players?
Customers were sold something under false pretenses.

There is one added complication in all of this. PSN is not as widely available as Steam or even Xbox Game Pass. So many people who have actually bought Helldivers 2 couldn't make a PSN account to use because they live in the "wrong" country. Sony devised a "solution". Simply block all the people in those "wrong" countries from buying their games. And no, contrary to what some ignorant people are saying, these are not all 3rd world countries with low purchasing power, but even Europen countries like the Baltics and Western Balkans. They even placed Japan on this list. Go figure.

When Microsoft started porting their console games to Steam and PC, they made something called PC Game Pass for all the countries where Steam is supported. In essence, even if you couldn't buy Xbox console and get XBox Game Pass somewhere, you could buy PC Game Pass and install those games through Xbox app on your PC.

When Sony decided to expand to PC, they could have and should have done the same as Microsoft, and extended PSN to all those countries. Instead they decided to discriminate against their players by deciding who can buy the game based on where they live and by false advertising the game they are selling in the case of Helldivers 2.

I hope I have managed to explain the situation as I understand it to be.
shakeyourbunny 2024 年 5 月 12 日 上午 10:11 
引用自 revanbh

I'll try to explain. When you buy Xbox games on PC, you have an option to link your Steam account to Xbox account if you wish. I have done this for example, because I already have Game Pass , so why not? It's optional and I could play the games on Steam without them if I wanted.
Online gaming with Microsoft also requires a mandatory Microsoft login.

See
- Halo games
- Grounded ("requires free xbox account for online play")
- Forza games
- Gears 5
- State of Decay 2

Nobody complains there.
CrazyLamer 2024 年 5 月 12 日 上午 10:14 
引用自 shakeyourbunny
引用自 revanbh

I'll try to explain. When you buy Xbox games on PC, you have an option to link your Steam account to Xbox account if you wish. I have done this for example, because I already have Game Pass , so why not? It's optional and I could play the games on Steam without them if I wanted.
Online gaming with Microsoft also requires a mandatory Microsoft login.

See
- Halo games
- Grounded ("requires free xbox account for online play")
- Forza games
- Gears 5
- State of Decay 2

Nobody complains there.

They only complains when it suits them and their need.
Hattori 2024 年 5 月 12 日 上午 10:18 
Its annoying PSN getting hacked all the time ceo want to bloat how his "strategy" made more psn accounts for shareholders to get bigger bonus at the end of the year should i go on?
最後修改者:Hattori; 2024 年 5 月 12 日 上午 10:18
ChubbiChibbai 2024 年 5 月 12 日 上午 10:24 
引用自 Hattori
Its annoying PSN getting hacked all the time ceo want to bloat how his "strategy" made more psn accounts for shareholders to get bigger bonus at the end of the year should i go on?

Can you back this up with some actual data or references though.
I keep hearing this argument about the data breach which is valid (although many of them were of Sony Pictures employee data which isn't the same as your PSN account data) and people are deliberately being ignorant of this to try and prove a point.

The part about the shareholders getting a bigger bonus though lol..... give me some actual data here or you are just making it up / pulling some nonsense you read on reddit from one of the many armchair CEO's on there out of your butt.
Krauth 2024 年 5 月 12 日 上午 10:31 
引用自 ChubbiChibbai
We all witnessed last week the rather (embarrassing?) situation with Helldivers 2 and the reaction to the PSN requirement which resulted in Sony back peddaling.

Now i come here to buy this game and see people already complaining about the need for a PSN account.

Can someone please explain why this is such a huge drama?
Surely most people who are complaining already have a PSN account - or if they don't they surely subscribe to Gamepass and have an Xbox account?

Don't these people also have twitch and prime accounts that they link for free in game items?

I mean personally i think the whole reaction is ludicrous but maybe i just don't understand it. I've seen people calling others corporate bootlickers (but again - don't you all already have accounts with...... other corporations)

So please. Can someone just explain it because i'm really missing the point i feel stupid.

people will always find something to complain about, if you have the possibility to get the game on steam, go for it single player does not require PSN and Multiplayer does, do with it what you will. just ignore the drama and enjoy the game
Fluffle Puff 2024 年 5 月 12 日 上午 10:39 
引用自 CrazyLamer
引用自 Fluffle Puff
>Sony is not responsible for service security
The absolute state of fanboys.

Sony has been hacked yea, stealing data about projects and whatnot, actual PSN regarding accounts and whatever have not been breached since 2011.
Fact check.
How is this supposed to be reassuring?
ChubbiChibbai 2024 年 5 月 12 日 上午 11:11 
[quote=Krauth;4357873276727726797
people will always find something to complain about, if you have the possibility to get the game on steam, go for it single player does not require PSN and Multiplayer does, do with it what you will. just ignore the drama and enjoy the game [/quote]

Oh i will!
I have it pre-ordered already.

I was more just genuinely curious as to the concerns. There is ALOT of intentinal outrage and negativity with all games on steam these days but i wanted to find out if there was some valid concerns here.

While i don't agree with the concerns i can at least now understand some of them better and appreciate where some of those who are reactive about the PSN account linking are coming from and understand why they are worried or upset better.
maloce 2024 年 5 月 12 日 上午 11:16 
Well, PSN isn't global. I actually didn't know this until the helldivers situation. It does make me feel bad that Sony would prioritize padding their PSN numbers over letting more people enjoy their games.

I have this game pre-ordered so I am going to buy it. But to act like Sony isn't completely anti consumer on PC would be dishonest, and I don't think I will buy any more Sony games on PC if they are going to be this anti consumer. I've bought most of them with the exception of the new horizon, I think I got every other game they put on steam. But I do not want to normalize a practice of putting a game on steam where it can't be played by so many PC gamers. It hurts PC gaming, I think.
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