Wait, an RTX 4080 for 4K60?

[Juub]

This is a PC port of a PS5 port of a PS4 game. Why the hell do you need such a beastly rig to max it out at 4K? PS5 does 2160p checkerboard 60 (1920x2160). You shouldn’t need anything more than an RX 6800/XT or 3070 Ti to reach 4K60. Maybe an RTX 3080/RX 6800 XT at most. An RTX 4080 or RX 7900 XTX is ridiculous.

For reference, it has the same requirements as former PS5 exclusive Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart...with Ultimate Ray Tracing.

https://assets-prd.ignimgs.com/2023/07/18/ratchet-1689694693726.jpg

[Reaper]

Publicado originalmente por Juub:

They better be hugely enhanced to justify those PS5-tier requirements.

Just because a PS5 GPU is equivalent to an RTX 2070 super doesn't make it equal as powerful as one.

[Juub]

Publicado originalmente por Reaper:

Publicado originalmente por Juub:

They better be hugely enhanced to justify those PS5-tier requirements.

Just because a PS5 GPU is equivalent to an RTX 2070 super doesn't make it equal as powerful as one.

Except in 99% of the cases, they perform within 10% of one another. PS5 is generally in the ballpark of a 2070S/6700.

[M.Spengler]

Publicado originalmente por Juub:

Publicado originalmente por Reaper:

Just because a PS5 GPU is equivalent to an RTX 2070 super doesn't make it equal as powerful as one.

Except in 99% of the cases, they perform within 10% of one another. PS5 is generally in the ballpark of a 2070S/6700.

System Requirements for Ghost of Tsushima Directors Cut
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Low Settings at 1.280×720, 30 FPS :

Intel Core i3-7100 / AMD Ryzen 3 1200
Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 / AMD Radeon RX 5500 XT
4 GB VRAM

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Medium Settings at 1.920×1.080, 60 FPS :

Intel Core i5-8600 / AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 / AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT
6 GB VRAM

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High Settings at 2.560×1.440, 60 FPS or 3.840×2.160, 30 FPS :

Intel Core i5-11400 / AMD Ryzen 5 5600
Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070 / AMD Radeon RX 6800
8 GB VRAM

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Very High Settings at 3.840×2.160, 60 FPS :

Intel Core i5-11400 / AMD Ryzen 5 5600
Nvidia GeForce RTX 4080 / AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT
16 GB VRAM

#EOF

Still ranting about nonsense and undermining every argument.
The recommended system requirements are for medium settings.

If you want 4K with more than 60 FPS so hard just use the high settings instead of very high settings. The PS5 equivalent preset would be medium settings at 4K.

What is the fuzz about "Meh, why a 4080 for very high settings (maximum here) at 60FPS". ?
Tell you what - Future games will have upscaling with framegeneration in mind instead rendering in native resolution.

So -> Chill, relax, take a cookie.

It is what it is - Your opinion won´t change anything about it.

Just my two cents - No response needed.

Have a nice day.

[Reaper]

Publicado originalmente por Juub:

Publicado originalmente por Reaper:

Just because a PS5 GPU is equivalent to an RTX 2070 super doesn't make it equal as powerful as one.

Except in 99% of the cases, they perform within 10% of one another. PS5 is generally in the ballpark of a 2070S/6700.

Not exactly. Consoles have reduced special effects, ray tracing, render distance, texture resolution, only a majority can achieve native 4K well a huge majority have upscaled 4K, ect. Consoles have limitations that PCs can overcome.

[stardust]

Publicado originalmente por Reaper:

Publicado originalmente por Juub:

Except in 99% of the cases, they perform within 10% of one another. PS5 is generally in the ballpark of a 2070S/6700.

Not exactly. Consoles have reduced special effects, ray tracing, render distance, texture resolution, only a majority can achieve native 4K well a huge majority have upscaled 4K, ect. Consoles have limitations that PCs can overcome.

PC port of SONY games look BARELY better than PS5, the difference aren't even worth it visually speaking, it's not like they are gonna develop the games from scrach just for PC. It's always minor changes, like texuter detail here and there, lod etc. nothing major at all. The only real difference is UW, resolution and framerate.

[Juub]

Publicado originalmente por Reaper:

Publicado originalmente por Juub:

Except in 99% of the cases, they perform within 10% of one another. PS5 is generally in the ballpark of a 2070S/6700.

Not exactly. Consoles have reduced special effects, ray tracing, render distance, texture resolution, only a majority can achieve native 4K well a huge majority have upscaled 4K, ect. Consoles have limitations that PCs can overcome.

Yes, PCs can overcome those limitations with faster and better hardware. The 2070S/6700 aren’t exactly top of the line or very recent. In general with matched settings and IQ, these two perform like a PS5 when not GPU/bound, give or take a few fps.

[8-Bit Ears]

Publicado originalmente por Juub:

Publicado originalmente por Reaper:

Not exactly. Consoles have reduced special effects, ray tracing, render distance, texture resolution, only a majority can achieve native 4K well a huge majority have upscaled 4K, ect. Consoles have limitations that PCs can overcome.

Yes, PCs can overcome those limitations with faster and better hardware. The 2070S/6700 aren’t exactly top of the line or very recent. In general with matched settings and IQ, these two perform like a PS5 when not GPU/bound, give or take a few fps.

You continue to prove you are absolutely clueless when it comes to pc hardware.

An 8gb card is in no way, shape, or form comparable to a ps5.

PS5 upscales to 4k, an 8gb gpu cant even upscale to 4k in current gen games, nor run native 1440p without running out of vram causing a plethora of issues.

A ps5 runs current gen games better than a 10 gb 3080 lol

[Juub]

Publicado originalmente por 8-Bit Ears:

Publicado originalmente por Juub:

Yes, PCs can overcome those limitations with faster and better hardware. The 2070S/6700 aren’t exactly top of the line or very recent. In general with matched settings and IQ, these two perform like a PS5 when not GPU/bound, give or take a few fps.

You continue to prove you are absolutely clueless when it comes to pc hardware.

An 8gb card is in no way, shape, or form comparable to a ps5.

PS5 upscales to 4k, an 8gb gpu cant even upscale to 4k in current gen games, nor run native 1440p without running out of vram causing a plethora of issues.

A ps5 runs current gen games better than a 10 gb 3080 lol

Now laugh at your own ignorance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuLHRbalyGs

The PS5 often gets beaten out by a 6700. It doesn't beat the 3080 in a single game lol. The 3080 can be damn near twice as fast in some cases such as in A Plague Tale Requiem.

Additionally, the 6700 is 10GB, not 8GB. A lot of the time, the PS5 doesn't even make use of its higher VRAM capacity because it's simply too weak to enabled higher effects without the rest of the GPU. The only exception is in TLOU Part I which is one of the worst PC ports of the decade thus far. The 2070S can lose in VRAM-limited scenarios.

Jesus Christ, you're clueless. You ain't getting clown awards from me.

[8-Bit Ears]

Publicado originalmente por Juub:

Publicado originalmente por 8-Bit Ears:

You continue to prove you are absolutely clueless when it comes to pc hardware.

An 8gb card is in no way, shape, or form comparable to a ps5.

PS5 upscales to 4k, an 8gb gpu cant even upscale to 4k in current gen games, nor run native 1440p without running out of vram causing a plethora of issues.

A ps5 runs current gen games better than a 10 gb 3080 lol

Now laugh at your own ignorance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuLHRbalyGs

The PS5 often gets beaten out by a 6700. It doesn't beat the 3080 in a single game lol. The 3080 can be damn near twice as fast in some cases such as in A Plague Tale Requiem.

Additionally, the 6700 is 10GB, not 8GB. A lot of the time, the PS5 doesn't even make use of its higher VRAM capacity because it's simply too weak to enabled higher effects without the rest of the GPU. The only exception is in TLOU Part I which is one of the worst PC ports of the decade thus far. The 2070S can lose in VRAM-limited scenarios.

Jesus Christ, you're clueless. You ain't getting clown awards from me.

Did you even watch your own video? None of those tests are at 4k even with upscaling lol. Thanks for once again proving you are absolutely clueless.

Obviously at low resolutions vram is not an issue, but at 4k (which the ps5 upscales to) a 3080 is garbage. Any card with less than 12gb vram is worse than a ps5 and literally can not run games that a ps5 can AT ALL at 4k , upscaling or not.

You have to upgrade your potato PC if you want to play 4k kiddo, stop crying that your crappy gpu cant handle premium resolution

[Juub]

Publicado originalmente por 8-Bit Ears:

Publicado originalmente por Juub:

Now laugh at your own ignorance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuLHRbalyGs

The PS5 often gets beaten out by a 6700. It doesn't beat the 3080 in a single game lol. The 3080 can be damn near twice as fast in some cases such as in A Plague Tale Requiem.

Additionally, the 6700 is 10GB, not 8GB. A lot of the time, the PS5 doesn't even make use of its higher VRAM capacity because it's simply too weak to enabled higher effects without the rest of the GPU. The only exception is in TLOU Part I which is one of the worst PC ports of the decade thus far. The 2070S can lose in VRAM-limited scenarios.

Jesus Christ, you're clueless. You ain't getting clown awards from me.

Did you even watch your own video? None of those tests are at 4k even with upscaling lol. Thanks for once again proving you are absolutely clueless.

Obviously at low resolutions vram is not an issue, but at 4k (which the ps5 upscales to) a 3080 is garbage. Any card with less than 12gb vram is worse than a ps5 and literally can not run games that a ps5 can AT ALL at 4k , upscaling or not.

You have to upgrade your potato PC if you want to play 4k kiddo, stop crying that your crappy gpu cant handle premium resolution

The reason none of these tests are at 4K is because the PS5 cannot run these games at 4K/30fps in the first place lmao. Most games have a resolution and frame rate mode on PS5. The resolution mode is almost never at native 4K except for non-demanding games. Virtually all AAA games aside from some PS exclusives (not all of them) run at less 4K.

The PS5 has 12.7 of usable VRAM out of 16 and must still use some of it for what PCs do with just system RAM. It often ends up having right around 10GB for VRAM-related tasks so no, it doesn't beat the 3080 under ANY circumstances lol. The 3080 crushes the PS5 and is on average 70-90% faster. The PS5’s GPU with its paltry bandwidth of 448 GB/s can’t hold a candle to the 3080’s 760 GB/s.

Not even the same class of GPU, ignoramus.

[Bodhisatta46]

Most people have no clue graphics are all about complex math. All your cards are, are complex calculators effectively. 4k is not "double" the PS5 checkerboard. It is computationally a hell of a lot more. Delete this and quit embarrassing yourself.

After you've coded video a couple decades come back and look at this post. You'll see how little you'd want to reply because of how ridiculous it is...

[Juub]

Publicado originalmente por Bodhisatta46:

Most people have no clue graphics are all about complex math. All your cards are, are complex calculators effectively. 4k is not "double" the PS5 checkerboard. It is computationally a hell of a lot more. Delete this and quit embarrassing yourself.

After you've coded video a couple decades come back and look at this post. You'll see how little you'd want to reply because of how ridiculous it is...

>Not a single data point to back himself up

>Just spouts a bunch of incorrect information

[Supremacy]

I would image that's only if everything's unnecessarily maxed and DLSS off.

[Apocalypse]

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PC port of SONY games look BARELY better than PS5, the difference aren't even worth it visually speaking, it's not like they are gonna develop the games from scrach just for PC. It's always minor changes, like texuter detail here and there, lod etc. nothing major at all. The only real difference is UW, resolution and framerate.

To be honest, while I totally agree that going up from 2k to 4k makes on most screens and screen distances not that much of a difference, I would actually not agree on LOD, better frames times and texture quality not making the visual experience potentially much better.

And frame rates can make massive differences on top, but I don't think they do in this case.

Anyway, I am looking forward to the DF analysis and comparisions of this Title, maybe Juub is right, maybe not. Next months release will tell. Most likely medium settings will be the usual PS5 equivalent and the higher setting on pc may really look a bit better while needing a lot more performance. The usual conundrum of dimishing returns in graphic processing.

[SanderH89]

PC version has way more than just resolution improvement, like better anti aliasing, probably bigger draw distance etc. I have a 4080 super, so i will find out exactly how heavy this game will be in a few weeks i guess. i expect to be able to run at an fps of 90-120 to be honest, without upscaling anything.