I hate that set-bonuses are tied to armor.

[Emme]

Armor should be cosmetic only and have equipment-slots for bonuses, like the Katana does have, imho.

So we would be able to equip the preffered bonuses for our individual playstyles, without having the cosmetic tradeoff here.

[Livid]

No game ever should have a transmog system.
Improvise, adapt, overcome.

[Sharkon]

only thing I didn't like was the travelers armor. those perks should be in the skill tree somewhere not on a piece of armor. I remember swapping out armor way too often in this game. literally before/after every fight. that's just stupid.

[Святой]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von LordOfTheBread:

a game having loot does not mean it is a loot game.

lmao

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 5ean5ean:

"A game having loot does not mean it is a loot game." Did I really just read that, Was that actual arguement? My head hurts now thanks.

You just completly ignored everything I said and just said the dumbest thing imaginable.

Tired of these gaming elitist who think something isnt true bc THEY dont deem it so. Youre no authority, youre not an expert in anything. You're probably getting confused with muliplayer games.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 5ean5ean:

Strawman arguement....nice try.

he does that on every forum he participates, I wouldn't bother replying to him, he doesn't even own a copy of this game, and his knowledge about poe is very limited, as we can see

[5ean5ean]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gonE:

When you say "loot based game", I am more thinking of a looter shooter concept.
But I guess you just mean any game with any loot in it.
I can't say I understand your reasoning, but I at least understand what you are saying now.

Its not just "any loot" there are charms and gear sets that create unique builds that completely changes the way you play.

Example with the right combination of optinal charms you can make a build where ever single headshot 100% terrifies everyone around them. And it is not easy to get this thing, you have to get 7 seconds at every single archery challenge on Iki island.

Its not Borderlands level but its loot youbget frommexploration amd enemies and you take that loot to become more powerful. Thats basically it.

I played a ton of POE, Diablo, Borderlands, Division? Destiny...I 100% get what people are saying. These games take the loot mechanic to the extreme with RNG to boast rentention and it works. This game can easily make a 5% drop rate on the Kensei armor, give it a power level, and make you replay duels endlessly...it just doesnt do that bc this game respects your time.

Its a loot based game, its just not a intense as other games.

[micshelpaTv]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von LordOfTheBread:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 5ean5ean:

This game is 100% a loot game.

Loot is the collection of items picked up by the player character that increase their power or level up their abilities, such as currency, spells, equipment and weapons.

1. Loot RPGs arent about just finishing. Its about Min-Maxing to create the most efficient and most powerful build possible.

2. There are gear sets that are required to gave builds that no other gear set can provide. Ex. You need Kensai armor to do the infinite resolve build.

At the end of the day the player shouldnt have to choose between stats and looking good.

You clearly did not play many loot games where gear dictates your build. Adding 2 kills on Takedown or making controller vibrates near artifacts isn't a build, just a feature of the armnor.

1. Many games have loot.

2. a game having loot does not mean it is a loot game.

3. this game is not a loot game.

100 fact

[LordOfTheBread]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Святой:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von LordOfTheBread:

a game having loot does not mean it is a loot game.

lmao

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 5ean5ean:

"A game having loot does not mean it is a loot game." Did I really just read that, Was that actual arguement? My head hurts now thanks.

You just completly ignored everything I said and just said the dumbest thing imaginable.

Tired of these gaming elitist who think something isnt true bc THEY dont deem it so. Youre no authority, youre not an expert in anything. You're probably getting confused with muliplayer games.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 5ean5ean:

Strawman arguement....nice try.

he does that on every forum he participates, I wouldn't bother replying to him, he doesn't even own a copy of this game, and his knowledge about poe is very limited, as we can see

Let me nuance here, I don't own a copy of this game on Steam

As for my PoE knowledge I think that after having beaten every boss and played 2093.4 hours on Steam alone I am knowladgeable enough, thanks. Don't know what beef you have with me seriously.

Comparing this game to Path of Exile shows lack of knowledge of gaming in general.

Here is an analogy :Bread is made with flour, all recipes containing flour are not bread. The main ingredient in bread is flour.

Path of exile is a loot based game, not all games containing loot are loot based games, the main ingredient of Path of Exile is loot.

That's why we have genre in games, eventho lines are now blurred and Diablo 4 has an open-world, that's not what defines it.

[Святой]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von LordOfTheBread:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Святой:

lmao


he does that on every forum he participates, I wouldn't bother replying to him, he doesn't even own a copy of this game, and his knowledge about poe is very limited, as we can see

Let me nuance here, I don't own a copy of this game on Steam

As for my PoE knowledge I think that after having beaten every boss and played 2093.4 hours on Steam alone I am knowladgeable enough, thanks. Don't know what beef you have with me seriously.

Comparing this game to Path of Exile shows lack of knowledge of gaming in general.

Here is an analogy :Bread is made with flour, all recipes containing flour are not bread. The main ingredient in bread is flour.

Path of exile is a loot based game, not all games containing loot are loot based games, the main ingredient of Path of Exile is loot.

That's why we have genre in games, eventho lines are now blurred and Diablo 4 has an open-world, that's not what defines it.

lmao 2k hours and he thinks he knows about the game, you barely got out of the tutorial buddy, as you have shown in your arguments here, your lack of knowledge is easily noted

sad part is you really think you're fooling people saying you have a copy outside steam.. ya sure, we'll pretend we believe you, same way we pretend to believe you're an expert in game genres

truth is you're using strawman argument, get over it

[5ean5ean]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von LordOfTheBread:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Святой:

lmao


he does that on every forum he participates, I wouldn't bother replying to him, he doesn't even own a copy of this game, and his knowledge about poe is very limited, as we can see

Let me nuance here, I don't own a copy of this game on Steam

As for my PoE knowledge I think that after having beaten every boss and played 2093.4 hours on Steam alone I am knowladgeable enough, thanks. Don't know what beef you have with me seriously.

Comparing this game to Path of Exile shows lack of knowledge of gaming in general.

Here is an analogy :Bread is made with flour, all recipes containing flour are not bread. The main ingredient in bread is flour.

Path of exile is a loot based game, not all games containing loot are loot based games, the main ingredient of Path of Exile is loot.

That's why we have genre in games, eventho lines are now blurred and Diablo 4 has an open-world, that's not what defines it.

You said in order to be considered a loot based game and why GOT isnt a loot based game is you NEED loot to beat it.

- I retorted that you can beat POE with just crafted gear you can buy from vendors and skill gems you can also buy from vendors. You did not have a response bc you know it true with your 2k hours. Its basically any summoner/minion build can do it easily just to name one example.

- Then you said the currency in POE is considered loot. GOT has currency that you can "loot" from enemies, Explorations, and quest rewards thats used for crafting gear. And its RNG based to make it more legit for you.

Im just using the parameters you yourself are setting. Give me amother one and I will prive it again. This is common sense stuff. The game has gear and charms that you get from playing and it makes you more powerful...thats all you need.

Youre just being a gaming snob right now.

"Only games that I deem worthy can be considered loot games."

[Святой]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 5ean5ean:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von LordOfTheBread:

Let me nuance here, I don't own a copy of this game on Steam

As for my PoE knowledge I think that after having beaten every boss and played 2093.4 hours on Steam alone I am knowladgeable enough, thanks. Don't know what beef you have with me seriously.

Comparing this game to Path of Exile shows lack of knowledge of gaming in general.

Here is an analogy :Bread is made with flour, all recipes containing flour are not bread. The main ingredient in bread is flour.

Path of exile is a loot based game, not all games containing loot are loot based games, the main ingredient of Path of Exile is loot.

That's why we have genre in games, eventho lines are now blurred and Diablo 4 has an open-world, that's not what defines it.

You said in order to be considered a loot based game and why GOT isnt a loot based game is you NEED loot to beat it.

- I retorted that you can beat POE with just crafted gear you can buy from vendors and skill gems you can also buy from vendors. You did not have a response bc you know it true with your 2k hours. Its basically any summoner/minion build can do it easily just to name one example.

- Then you said the currency in POE is considered loot. GOT has currency that you cam "loot" from enemies? Explorations, and quest rewards.

Im just using the parameters you yourself are settimg. Give me abother one amd I will prive it again. This is common sense stuff. The game has gear and charms that you get from playing and it males you more powerful...thats all you need.

Youre just being a gaming snob.

"Only games that I deem worthy can be considered loot games."

exactly, I'd say he's in bad faith, but his knowledge may be very limited too

[5ean5ean]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Святой:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 5ean5ean:

You said in order to be considered a loot based game and why GOT isnt a loot based game is you NEED loot to beat it.

- I retorted that you can beat POE with just crafted gear you can buy from vendors and skill gems you can also buy from vendors. You did not have a response bc you know it true with your 2k hours. Its basically any summoner/minion build can do it easily just to name one example.

- Then you said the currency in POE is considered loot. GOT has currency that you cam "loot" from enemies? Explorations, and quest rewards.

Im just using the parameters you yourself are settimg. Give me abother one amd I will prive it again. This is common sense stuff. The game has gear and charms that you get from playing and it males you more powerful...thats all you need.

Youre just being a gaming snob.

"Only games that I deem worthy can be considered loot games."

exactly, I'd say he's in bad faith, but his knowledge may be very limited too

Im not discounting their knowledge ofnthe game. They have 2k? Im going to assume they are knowledgeable. I have 1400 hours and thats only bc quit 4 leagues ago.

I just think people have a warped view of what a loot based game actually is. They think it needs to be this punishing RNG grind and thats not true. Its just a rentention mechanic.


Yes getting a mageblood is a hell of alot harder than getting things in this game...but at the end of the day theu are both loot.

[Malker]

I kind of like it. Has some roleplay in it. The more casual travel outfit and the armor for combat and so on. But opinions I guess.

[kalashnjkov21]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Malker:

I kind of like it. Has some roleplay in it. The more casual travel outfit and the armor for combat and so on. But opinions I guess.

Same, armor for melee combat and cloth, leather for others.
2 Fortune charms and 2 fortuna return charms only refund 1 resolve for skill in duel, so for easier dance of wrath spam, gosaku and broken barrier charm may work better.
Edited: the refunding resolve really benefit from resolve gain charms.