DEFINITELY NOT GOING BACK TO KUBUNTU -READ WHY!

[[LINUX]FinCoder]

I have used kubuntu around one year. I liked the windows style of doing things. I had few issues while playing with it. Ati drivers (ati 3870 then 7770). It was hard to get to work.

Even uninstalling and reinstalling things. Nothig seems to work.

Sometimes the installer crashes with no reason when I had to do reinstall the hole system. And the installing wasn't fast even I thought it was.

Afer installing linux mint 14 from usb -compared to installing kubuntu. Kubuntu was very slow. Even the live cd is slow.

Now I installed Linux mint, the live cd was very fast. And the installer didn't take that much time either!!

Installing ati drivers was like in windows.

Working from stratch.

I joined a server, I had to admit that the server didn't have that much of players at the time.

But even though I got easily 200fps !!

When before I had lagging, very unstable fps.

I think I am going to try Linux mint with kde interface.

But this hole thing seems just better in functionality than kubuntu.

Kubuntu is somehow broken.

[FlamongOle]

Kubuntu is not broken, but Kubuntu run KDE with strigi/nepomuk enabled and with desktop effects. I have whatsoever no problem at all running Kubuntu, but I also disabled strigi/nepomuk because I dont use it, and becuase it uses too much resources. I agree that Kubuntu should come out lighter than it is, but I guess the point is that you should see its all capabilities.

Kubuntu also included a "light" version which you can install to make it faster: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-low-fat-settings

Else there is no difference, KDE is KDE and can be made equal no matter which distro you are using. It's all up to you, the mint maybe have "low-fat" as default might be.

[Amelia]

Apart from the fact that i can't see what this topic brings to the steam beta discussion,
Ati drivers have always been known for being hard to install.
My main computer sports an ati HD7970 which installed seamlessly using the "restricted drivers" interface on ubuntu, which is basically the same that in Kubuntu. Using the provided drivers will help with stability.
Installer failures can happen, but from my experience it's not by far limited to kubuntu and is usually either a hardware issue or a corrupt cd image.
I have heard many good things about mint, so I wish you the best on it, but I can assure you kubuntu is not broken. I'm using it on my old laptop and had no problem running steam or Ogre Applications.

[50 Billion Boyfriends]

oh well, can people stop talking about distro's already

kubuntu is basically ubuntu, if you dont think the kde interface is good enough for you, then you can easily grab ubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop from the repo

so you are either having a specific KDE problem, or a problem also related to mint/ubuntu/lubuntu




what im trying to get across here- stop complaining about distro's, we all know which are bad, and they are already obvious, kubuntu is probably one of the best distributions.

[[LINUX]FinCoder]

Linux mint and kubuntu don't equal the same. If they would, both would install the same ati driver without a problem. Mint feels lighter and the terminal is more helpful...

[FlamongOle]

Mint is based on *buntus (which is based on debian), meaning the plattform is exactly the same. You can install exactly the same ATI-drivers in mint as in *buntu and other debian based distros (or any other distros for that matter). The terminal, is the same, what you do in the terminal in mint, is what you can do in *buntu or any other distros.

Please learn yourself how the Linux world works before posting your opinion about it.

Main difference between Mint and Kubuntu is that you get probably proprietary drivers and encoders allready installed, while in Kubuntu you must install them yourself. Also you can use the low-fat-setting in Kubuntu as described earlier to even get it to work smoother.

[ConanHUN]

Kubuntu is really terrible, I don't like it. If you like KDE try opensuse or chakra (arch based), but I prefered archlinux + KDE (best performance here with HD5670 Catalyst 12.11 beta11) and Ubunu 12.10 Minimal + KDE.

[magalaan]

Do not take this serious. These Mint shills are active all over the Internet. They are always attacking Ubuntu and KDE because these are the best Linux desktops. I would not be surprised if they are really MS shills using Mint to create division and spread FUD. They use the same methods as MS shills.

AS to Kubuntu. I use both Ubuntu and Kubuntu and Kubuntu is a true delight and very stable. No issues with Steam at all. Every runs fine. The graphics are extremely fluid.

[Dusk of Oolacile]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von magalaan:

They are always attacking Ubuntu and KDE because these are the best Linux desktops.

KDE is like Steam. A serious resource hog. At least it has a decent user interface, but under the hood it's not that good. If you want speed, use something minimal.

[pySty]

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[Drako Frost]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von LOLCAT:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von magalaan:

They are always attacking Ubuntu and KDE because these are the best Linux desktops.

KDE is like Steam. A serious resource hog. At least it has a decent user interface, but under the hood it's not that good. If you want speed, use something minimal.

False.

Unity and the latest versions of Gnome consume more memory than KDE. Also, KDE is very fast and stable, don't make assumptions based on old experiences.

[Tux9656]

Since the OP is simply ranting and not asking for advise, I'll add my own ranting that I've always had problems with Ubuntu.

Installing graphics drivers the proper Ubuntu way breaks the system beyond simple repair.

Too much pushing of their store and services and other crap that I don't want.

All the stuff that gets in the way that tries to do everything for you because it assumes that you don't know how to do anything more with a computer other than turn it on and click on an icon to start a program.

PPAs make it difficult to just get a simple URL so I can just download a source package and build it myself.

Ubuntu is just bad.

[Drako Frost]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ghost:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Drako Frost:

False.

Unity and the latest versions of Gnome consume more memory than KDE. Also, KDE is very fast and stable, don't make assumptions based on old experiences.

Kubuntu with KDE base memory usage: 430 MB

Ubuntu with Unity base memory usage: 470 MB

Ubuntu GNOME base memory usage: 325 MB

These are results from virtualbox testing from the same source (quidsup.net)

I follow Quids on YouTube, this tests are quite old. It's been more than a year since Quids reviewed Gnome, besides that, KDE has improved a lot. Gnome 3.14 in the other hand has become a memory hog, it consumes about 820MB on my system.

[[LINUX]FinCoder]

how do you count kde or gnome memory usage? xorg shows 71,100k and 56,644k shared (kde)

[Drako Frost]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von LINUXFinCoder:

how do you count kde or gnome memory usage? xorg shows 71,100k and 56,644k shared (kde)

We are talking about the whole system usage, not just the DE.

For Gnome there's Gnome Monitor and for KDE there's Ksysguard. You can also check through console with "top" or "free -m". Top is not very reliable, in some distros he shows completely wrong numbers.

[Drako Frost]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ghost:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Drako Frost:

I follow Quids on YouTube, this tests are quite old. It's been more than a year since Quids reviewed Gnome, besides that, KDE has improved a lot. Gnome 3.14 in the other hand has become a memory hog, it consumes about 820MB on my system.

Yes he hasn't reviewed a GNOME distro (Zorin doesn't count) in a while but I would say GNOME itself has also improved a lot since then. And I would agree that KDE improved too. In fact I see most DE have improved except for Unity, Unity 8 looks worse.

Ideed, Gnome improved a lot, I used to hate the early versions of Gnome 3, but he also has become da memory hog, which is not a problem if you have a good machine. The most actives DE's are Gnome, KDE and Cinnamon, the others are pretty much stuck in time.

I don't have exact numbers, since I didn't take note, but on my system the memory usage is about this:

XFCE: 4xxMB
Cinnamon: 5xxMB
KDE: 6xxMB
Unity: 7xxMB
Gnome: 8xxMB

Unity is always the slowest to me, even with good hardware.