allow downloading windows games

[Doc]

Hello, i have 600 games (old steam user) so now we have a linux client, maybe its better to allow downloading windows games on steam so i can try to run them using wine?

[Cheshire Pad]

+1 Yes Valve don't need to give us support for that games but please allow us to download them

[blackout24]

No.

[bitcrusher]

you can just download steam via wine and run it that way, they shouldn't allow you to download nativlely because that will just confuse linux users when the game doesn't run.

[SUSEd]

Allow downloading linux version in steam for windows because it downloads *very* slow.

[Tazza.sh]

they should combine (and probably will if they want the steambox to succeed) wine steam and native steam, they need to get the volume of games up on linux before they release the steambox

[SUSEd]

Originalmente postado por Linux Tarron:

they should combine (and probably will if they want the steambox to succeed) wine steam and native steam, they need to get the volume of games up on linux before they release the steambox

Game devs should care about this.

[Federal-Foe]

Originalmente postado por Linux Tarron:

they should combine (and probably will if they want the steambox to succeed) wine steam and native steam, they need to get the volume of games up on linux before they release the steambox

When you're talking about software, trying to combine 2 mature systems is bound to result in failure.


Sidenote: It's what Microsoft and Apple are supposed to do now with Windows 8/phone and iOS/OS X. There will be tradeoffs for both systems and it will be a bumpy ride for the both of them. Unlike Ubuntu, who waited to jump into the phone market until portable hardware could run a mature system by itself so they won't have to merge anything. Pretty good move if u ask me.

[Tazza.sh]

Originalmente postado por Fed @Linux:

Originalmente postado por Linux Tarron:

they should combine (and probably will if they want the steambox to succeed) wine steam and native steam, they need to get the volume of games up on linux before they release the steambox

When you're talking about software, trying to combine 2 mature systems is bound to result in failure.

Well what i think should happen is when the steambox is going to be released, valve should use the static hardware for a baseline for running games via wine, so that it is all done automatically for the user, they will need to make the steambox have a high volume of games, with a good end user experiance, otherwise, it will fail imo

[Federal-Foe]

Originalmente postado por Linux Tarron:

Well what i think should happen is when the steambox is going to be released, valve should use the static hardware for a baseline for running games via wine, so that it is all done automatically for the user, they will need to make the steambox have a high volume of games, with a good end user experiance, otherwise, it will fail imo

So you'd like them to release a Linux based steam box, only to emulate Windows and run Windows games? If so, why won't they just go full windows from the beginning and cut out the Linux part?

However, none of that matters because they have confirmed the SteamBox will release with Linux preinstalled and the option to install Windows.

Also, on another sidenote, emulation kills progression.

[d10sfan]

Don't think that Wine's the answer for a good user experience, especially since currently its difficult to have Wine Steam and native steam running at the same time (unless offline mode). Plus, you wouldn't be able to use any of the steamcommunity features.

Personally feel like Valve should work on helping more developers release their games native, than try and use WIne.

If we want to see Linux succeed as a platform, we need more native games, not Wine

[SUSEd]

Medicon?

[Tazza.sh]

Originalmente postado por Fed @Linux:

Originalmente postado por Linux Tarron:

Well what i think should happen is when the steambox is going to be released, valve should use the static hardware for a baseline for running games via wine, so that it is all done automatically for the user, they will need to make the steambox have a high volume of games, with a good end user experiance, otherwise, it will fail imo

So you'd like them to release a Linux based steam box, only to emulate Windows and run Windows games? If so, why won't they just go full windows from the beginning and cut out the Linux part?

However, none of that matters because they have confirmed the SteamBox will release with Linux preinstalled and the option to install Windows.

Also, on another sidenote, emulation kills progression.

well i would want the steambox to have a high volume of games, and for old games, why not use wine, beats putting the resources into making it native for little to no performance boost, however I do expect for all future games to have a linux version for the steambox. and also wine isnt an emulator. imo whatever they preinstall on the steambox it needs to work well, they are going to be selling this on a mass market scale

[SUSEd]

I prefer steambox because it has lack of DRM and this TeeVee ♥♥♥♥.

[[Linux] CJ]

No.,!

[Federal-Foe]

Originalmente postado por Linux Tarron:

well i would want the steambox to have a high volume of games, and for old games, why not use wine, beats putting the resources into making it native for little to no performance boost, however I do expect for all future games to have a linux version for the steambox. and also wine isnt an emulator. imo whatever they preinstall on the steambox it needs to work well, they are going to be selling this on a mass market scale

Well, if Valve would commit to Wine, there would be no reason for developers to even consider Linux compatibility, and it won't happen. Wine would become the standard, something very destructive to the Linux project.

And honestly, why should there be backward compatibilty? Neither Xbox One nor the PS4 support that. And that's a good thing for the sake of legacy code. Agreed, in the case of remaking old games for Linux, there is no legacy code, but if they offer backwards compatibility now in the form of Windows simulation, they will probably have to remove it again at some point in the future in order to progress, making it a temporary promise and not really worth it. + We're talking about PCs, they come in all shapes and sizes and you'll always find a way to play old games again, unlike legacy console-games.

And ok, Wine has been debated on not technically being an emulator, but the results are the same: you trick a program into believing it's running Windows. And that does not help Linux grow into a worthy counterpart.


I'd say: Linux all tha way. :D