Linux VS Windows PROS and CONS

[Bluekinky81]

I've only owned my gaming PC for 3 month's, durring this 3 months Windows has been a pain in the you know what.. It’s needy and always want you too do something with constant updates because it's not stable, even though it's secured, yesterday after having my PC powered down for 2 weeks I booted up the system and noticed an update "here we go again" I ran the update, everything said don't turn off PC and then it froze, I'd never thought this would be my last day seeing my PC boot as the recent update cause an error corruption which lead to failed hard drive. Upon rebooting system it load into BIOs and doesn't detect hard drive. It safe to say my 4TB SSD is gone.

With that said, I'm seriously thinking about switching OS from Windows to Linux. I hear mixed emotions about Linex from Window users "it's worse then Windows" and from Linux users "Windows sucks"

Whats you're thoughts?
Is there anything on Linex that's not compatible?
- Xbox Gamepass
- Streamlabs
- PS Remote Play
- Steam
- Epic Games
- Unity
- Blender
- Animaze
- Google Chrome
I run allot of programs and games that's important to me.

[Bluekinky81]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xenophobe:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bluekinky81:

As long that I can still Gane and use these apps mentions I'm willing to switch over to Linux. The idea that my hard drive went bad after 3 months due to "so called security update" from Windows spending hundreds on SSD and thousands to build this PC hurts right now. ✅️

Soon as I get new drive will definitely try it. It's been over 20 years since I used Linux, I'm sure much has changed.

If you have an external drive, a usb stick and access to another pc, you can install ubuntu or linux mint onto the usb stick. Then run ubuntu/mint off the usb stick on your pc and see if the hard drive is still accessible to backup any data from. The drive may actually be fine.

I used an ubuntu live CD for years as a tool to recover from windows FUBAR events, until I finally got sick of MS's shenanigans and switched over to linux completely.

Although, if the drive is actually dead, I would suspect a hardware failure of either the drive itself or the socket on the mother board.

Pretty sure the hard drive is done. Everything far as I know works on Motherboard, I'm running ASRock as for Motherboard and the PC will only boot into BIOs which don't detect hard drive. We're about to open up the PC and test the shocket though and reach out to manufacturer for warranty which ever needs to be replaced for sure.

[Bluekinky81]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xenophobe:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bluekinky81:

As long that I can still Gane and use these apps mentions I'm willing to switch over to Linux. The idea that my hard drive went bad after 3 months due to "so called security update" from Windows spending hundreds on SSD and thousands to build this PC hurts right now. ✅️

Soon as I get new drive will definitely try it. It's been over 20 years since I used Linux, I'm sure much has changed.

If you have an external drive, a usb stick and access to another pc, you can install ubuntu or linux mint onto the usb stick. Then run ubuntu/mint off the usb stick on your pc and see if the hard drive is still accessible to backup any data from. The drive may actually be fine.

I used an ubuntu live CD for years as a tool to recover from windows FUBAR events, until I finally got sick of MS's shenanigans and switched over to linux completely.

Although, if the drive is actually dead, I would suspect a hardware failure of either the drive itself or the socket on the mother board.

UPDATE:
Definitely the hard drive! Just removed the drive and placed into the USB stick and test on another PC doesn't read, nor recognize 😑 unfortunately no way to save my stuff from the drive either. Installing 1TB for now till the 4TB is replaced which the 1TB will be used for operating system and important apps here on out.

Guesstimate 2 weeks before my drive is replaced or less.

[Bablu Bhai]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xenophobe:

you can install ubuntu on a usb stick and possibly be able to recover/backup any files from the windows drive ...

if you use multiple drives, its ubuntu on one drive has leave the others untouched, and then open file manager and then click on other drives, click on the drive you want and it ask for your password, enter it and then it will show all windows files

[LeviathanWon]

Yeah fail rate might make you a bit unlucky on storage / Drives. 4TB seems like a lot, and really expensive. You might consider just using 1 tb M.2 from a reliable brand then use an old physical disk platter type HD 2-10 TB cause they are cheap and you can back up your games there and leave them in low power mode (or no power) so the drive doesn't wear down as fast.

If Windows has errors and doesn't run well, you can check by using system file checker and running Deployment Image Servicing and Management. If you find errors often, then you might want to check your home network / Firewall. Vandalism is more of a problem with Windows because it is more of a common operation system / common target.

There is some newer software tech, but much slower and needs some fine tuning, consider reading about flatpak and wayland in linux. Your system becomes a lot dumbed down to what linux can do, but the programs and the files on your system become safer somewhat.

Linux doesn't come with any chance of blaming hardware failures on the people who make it, so you have to be a bit more careful.... Windows has accountability due to the price tag of the software. GIT system in operation systems across the board is pretty good, not only having people help each other, but keeps ALL systems really honest.

[LeviathanWon]

I like to consider myself a GIT kinda of a person, but I don't code well, so I would like to call myself GIT = god da*m idiot target.... makes for a good person for testing linux software.

[AD]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von D. Flame:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AD:

The kind of sensitive data you can expose through Recall and automatic upload to OneDrive is different, so I disagree that it's the same thing. For example, you won't get passwords not saved to disk uploaded to OneDrive, while Recall might capture that through a screenshot at the wrong time.

That's not necessarily any better, though. OneDrive can be useful, but what is and isn't uploaded should be a choice by the user, not MS.

Imagine that you run a small business and keep confidential, HIPAA-protected client information in a spreadsheet, on an bitlocker encrypted drive. Then M$ decides to unilaterally upload it to One Drive without your permission, knowledge, nor consent.

Congrats you seem to have just broken the law, and when that data is inevitably exposed in a data breach, who do you think the client is going to sue?

I never said it was a good idea, I said it's not the same kind of problem as with Recall. Two things can be bad for different reasons.

[D. Flame]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AD:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von D. Flame:

Imagine that you run a small business and keep confidential, HIPAA-protected client information in a spreadsheet, on an bitlocker encrypted drive. Then M$ decides to unilaterally upload it to One Drive without your permission, knowledge, nor consent.

Congrats you seem to have just broken the law, and when that data is inevitably exposed in a data breach, who do you think the client is going to sue?

I never said it was a good idea, I said it's not the same kind of problem as with Recall. Two things can be bad for different reasons.

And I am saying that you are wrong.

The only difference is that they are talking files instead of screenshots. The underlying problem is still the same. Only the method changed.

[AD]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von D. Flame:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AD:

I never said it was a good idea, I said it's not the same kind of problem as with Recall. Two things can be bad for different reasons.

And I am saying that you are wrong.

The only difference is that they are talking files instead of screenshots. The underlying problem is still the same. Only the method changed.

And I disagree. They are technically distinct problems since the type of sensitive data that can be taken from your computer are fundamentally different. Neither is a good thing, though.

[Reverse Module]

- Xbox Gamepass -> Doesn't work. You only only use it through XCloud
- Streamlabs -> Doesn't work. You will need to use OBS Studio.
- PS Remote Play -> An app called Chiaki allows you to remote play with PS on Linux.
- Steam -> Works amazingly
- Epic Games -> Use Lutris or Heroic Games Launcher
- Unity -> Works really well
- Blender -> Works better than in Windows
- Animaze -> I don't know what that is but I doubt it would work in Linux
- Google Chrome -> Works just fine

You will need to maybe find alternatives for some apps. Linux is not Windows, never forget that. I recommend if you go for Linux to go for BazziteOS. It's plug and play and it will install a lot of alternatives for things you might need. :)

[D. Flame]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AD:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von D. Flame:

And I am saying that you are wrong.

The only difference is that they are talking files instead of screenshots. The underlying problem is still the same. Only the method changed.

And I disagree. They are technically distinct problems since the type of sensitive data that can be taken from your computer are fundamentally different. Neither is a good thing, though.

Except the problem in both cases is that M$ is extracting potentially sensitive data from your PC without your explicit consent. The method is changed, but the issue remains the same.

[AD]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von D. Flame:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AD:

And I disagree. They are technically distinct problems since the type of sensitive data that can be taken from your computer are fundamentally different. Neither is a good thing, though.

Except the problem in both cases is that M$ is extracting potentially sensitive data from your PC without your explicit consent. The method is changed, but the issue remains the same.

Ok, in that case we were thinking about different things. My main concern with Recall was that it created a database containing sensitive information that malicious actors could exploit. Like info stealers are rather common and destructive already, giving them access to Recall could become even more of a nightmare. Fortunately, though, MS has now added more security so it's less likely to be an issue. The concern you have is as valid.

Also Recall wasn't supposed to send data to MS, but if they told the truth regarding that or not is not currently not known. There are ways to figure it out by MITM your own PC, but I don't use Windows and even if I did, I don't use a Copilot+PC, so I can't really do it.

That is assuming they didn't change their mind when I wasn't looking, of course.

[D. Flame]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AD:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von D. Flame:

Except the problem in both cases is that M$ is extracting potentially sensitive data from your PC without your explicit consent. The method is changed, but the issue remains the same.

Ok, in that case we were thinking about different things. My main concern with Recall was that it created a database containing sensitive information that malicious actors could exploit. Like info stealers are rather common and destructive already, giving them access to Recall could become even more of a nightmare. Fortunately, though, MS has now added more security so it's less likely to be an issue. The concern you have is as valid.

Also Recall wasn't supposed to send data to MS, but if they told the truth regarding that or not is not currently not known. There are ways to figure it out by MITM your own PC, but I don't use Windows and even if I did, I don't use a Copilot+PC, so I can't really do it.

That is assuming they didn't change their mind when I wasn't looking, of course.

That's just lawyer double talk.

Recall didn't serve data to MS. It just created a database on your machine. Then One Drive would send that database to MS, so technically speaking, Recall did not send any data.

[AD]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von D. Flame:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AD:

Ok, in that case we were thinking about different things. My main concern with Recall was that it created a database containing sensitive information that malicious actors could exploit. Like info stealers are rather common and destructive already, giving them access to Recall could become even more of a nightmare. Fortunately, though, MS has now added more security so it's less likely to be an issue. The concern you have is as valid.

Also Recall wasn't supposed to send data to MS, but if they told the truth regarding that or not is not currently not known. There are ways to figure it out by MITM your own PC, but I don't use Windows and even if I did, I don't use a Copilot+PC, so I can't really do it.

That is assuming they didn't change their mind when I wasn't looking, of course.

That's just lawyer double talk.

Recall didn't serve data to MS. It just created a database on your machine. Then One Drive would send that database to MS, so technically speaking, Recall did not send any data.

I'll wait until people actually have confirmed that this is the case. MS has made very clear the Recall data stays on the device. They didn't just say "Recall doesn't upload", they said "the Recall data stays on the device". See here:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy-and-control-over-your-recall-experience-d404f672-7647-41e5-886c-a3c59680af15

They specifically say: "Microsoft can't access or view the snapshots."

I don't think MS is uploading it to OneDrive.... but I also don't think we should take their word for it, so I hope someone verifies that this is indeed the case. Also I'm not arguing "trust MS" here, it's more that I don't think they are stupid enough to try that. But Recall was a bit dumb, so I could be overestimating them.

[Cray]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AD:

I don't think MS is uploading it to OneDrive.... but I also don't think we should take their word for it, so I hope someone verifies that this is indeed the case. Also I'm not arguing "trust MS" here, it's more that I don't think they are stupid enough to try that. But Recall was a bit dumb, so I could be overestimating them.

It pays to be skeptical with those guys. Their track record on steamrolling customers when they want to is miles long, and that's not counting their business policy, anti-competitiveness, etc.

We're also talking about the company that just recently enabled onedrive on systems without even asking, sending people's data to their cloud without properly informing them, and technically even deleted local files from devices (files that haven't been used for a while get deleted locally to 'save space' as long as there's a cloud backup).

https://it.slashdot.org/story/24/06/25/0222219/windows-11-is-now-automatically-enabling-onedrive-folder-backup-without-asking-permission

And they're doing their best to make local accounts and an overall 'offline pc' a thing of the past:

https://it.slashdot.org/story/24/06/24/1538220/microsoft-quietly-removes-local-account-instructions-for-windows-11

I consider it common sense to assume the worst from them, they've amply earned that.

And of course, the recall feature not uploading stuff today doesn't mean they won't do that later. They have incentive to collect data, they do collect lots of data, and show every indication of wishing to further this trend.

For that matter, the recall system itself doesn't have to do the uploading either. Another onedrive update can suddenly quietly turn that on and ship it off, and their legal response can be simply "this is in the tos".

These guys are working in nobody's interest but their own, they want data for marketing and reselling, and to slurp up to train their next awful 'ai' system. Expect them to behave accordingly.

[D. Flame]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AD:

They specifically say: "Microsoft can't access or view the snapshots."

They say a lot of things, and most of them are lies. Like you think you data is encrypted if you use Bitlocker? It is. So that means M$ can't access it right? WRONG! Sys admins literally have a tool to bypass it, and decrypt you drive after the fact. Guess what fact they don't advertise to the general public...

Nevermind the fact that they are making hashes of every file on your PC and sending them back to microsoft to spy for the government. Snowden just revealed the tip of the iceberg, and things have only gotten worse since then.