Elementary OS Loki = best distro ever made for most people

[The sickness of capitalism]

I have tried every major Linux distro.

And only elementary OS has an extremely good out of the box experience.

Yesterday they released a new version and it's amazing:

http://blog.elementary.io/post/147637979911/loki-04-stable-release

[Zyro]

Don't you leave Debian...!

[ack0329]

Heh Zyro, I just gave Debian a fair shake, nad I am sorry it is stuck in the early 90s with poor driver support. What are they thinking? If I wanted more work I would go with the massicists at arch.

LOL
After I am back in Ubuntu-Gnome, but perhaps this Elementary is more Elliegent. Does it work well with Steam?

[Zyro]

Originally posted by ack0329:

Heh Zyro, I just gave Debian a fair shake, nad I am sorry it is stuck in the early 90s with poor driver support.

I mainly talked about Debian due to OP's name. But I run Debian stable with nvidia drivers 367.44 and I'm very happy with it. Didn't try many other distors, though.

[SRH]

Originally posted by ack0329:

I just gave Debian a fair shake, nad I am sorry it is stuck in the early 90s with poor driver support. What are they thinking? If I wanted more work I would go with the massicists at arch.

Loooooooool all this time with Linux and you still can't set up the OS without gui's doing all the work for you? Debian does not have any driver problems or poor support and is a very stable OS, in fact almost all distro's work just fine with Steam if you know what your doing. Only user error leads to problems.

[SRH]

Originally posted by Maleko:

Originally posted by PredrKs:

Out of the box experience is relevant to everybody. Everybody likes good defaults. Doesn't matter if you know how to change them or not. I do agree on your other points.

Most people, maybe, but not everybody. As it stands now I am pretty sure that Arch Linux has more users than elementaryOS, which proves that out of the box experience and good defaults is not the be all and end all that you imply it is. Arch Linux has no defaults, and the out of the box experience is a black background terminal prompt.

Gentoo is another example, OOB is irrelevent IMO. Everyone has a different definition of it.

[SRH]

Originally posted by PredrKs:

If someone made a distro exactly the way you setup yours wouldn't you use that instead of configuring it every time? .

So having a few thousand variants of Ubuntu is a good thing? Just because someone didn't like what some other dev did is not a reason to create a distro that essentially is just a modified Debian with some fancy desktop to begin with.

[SRH]

Originally posted by PredrKs:

This is starting to make sense...so thanks for this discussion, it was interesting for me.

You make no sense at all PredrKs, the only thing to discuss is your illogical reasoning.

[The sickness of capitalism]

Originally posted by Zyro:

Don't you leave Debian...!

I won't leave Debian myself as long as Jessie is supported. I don't want to reinstall and customize something else again because I am very happy with Debian 8 Cinnamon :)

Originally posted by ack0329:

Does it work well with Steam?

You can install Steam with one click. Performance & compatibility of games will be exactly the same as in Ubuntu 16.04

Originally posted by Maleko:

IMHO, their DE is nice but you could make Cinnamon or Gnome look similar with minimal effort.

If I would spend one day customizing, maybe it would be similar. But I highly doubt if it would be as polished in every detail.

And yes, computer geeks like you and me can customize with minimal effort. I have put linux on the desktops of many people and I have never observed that they changed a gtk theme, icon theme, color setting, tint2 setting, conky, font setting, .. Five years later it always looked exactly how I configured it.

I have put Elementary OS on the computers of other people, because I know that it will look and work great for them. ( and I don't need to customize anything after the installation.) And that's extremely important when they don't customize anything themselves (except maybe the wallpaper or startpage).

I am sure that more than 90% of the people don't really customize their pc. That's just an observation, not a subjective opinion.

Reasons: they don't enjoy customizing an operating system, they don't have time for it or like to spend their time to something else, they don't have the knowledge how to do it, ...

So all the time you hear the linux users saying, "but you can customize", "everything in every linux distro can be customized".

The power of this argument is 0.0000 for 90% of the users.

The most important thing for most users is out-of-box experience.

And this fact is the most important reason why linux never became popular.

Let's just assume that Linux Mint has the best linux out-of-box experience, it has this reputation. I go to their website to download it. I see bad web design and green colours. And then I see the word Cinnamon to make the botanic experience complete. I download, install, and use the OS for one hour. My first impression of Linux Minux 18: literally everything looks cheap, unprofessional, no refinement.

Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication, and Elementary is the only linux OS that understands this concept.

Ementary OS Loki has the best out-of-box experience and this makes it the best linux distro ever made for most computer users.

Originally posted by Maleko:

The other issue I and many other people have with elementaryOS is how they try to fool people into thinking their distro costs money when it doesn't. Instead of putting a link that says "donate", their download link says "Purchase" and has different dollar amounts to choose from. You have to put 0 in the custom amount entry field and then you can download it for free, as you would with any other distro. I find this to be a bit unethical. Also I couldn't find any link on their website to download different ISO versions (32 or 64 bit, net install, older releases, etc).

That's not an issue, it's a subjective opinion.
Maybe mentally handicapped people can think that they have to pay for this OS. But it's really obvious that you can just enter 0 and download for free, and almost every linux distro is free.. I see it as one of the best methods for open source software donations(I hope that you realize that the whole open source community benefits from the donations), and I think my view is more objective. Because its just a fact that it's completely free, and it is the most easy method for donations.

They stopped the 32 bit version development, like many linux distributions do.

Originally posted by Maleko:

As it stands now I am pretty sure that Arch Linux has more users than elementaryOS, which proves that out of the box experience and good defaults is not the be all and end all that you imply it is. Arch Linux has no defaults, and the out of the box experience is a black background terminal prompt.

I'm sorry but this is the 3th time that you post a completely retarded argument. Arch Linux doesn't have to compete with many other distro's, because it's rolling release, has all latest software. So hackers and developers are almost forced to use this distro because there are not many good alternatives for rolling release, and they need latest software.

But then they made a rolling release distro with good out-of-box experience: Manjaro Linux. And guess what? Manjaro was almost immediately more popular than Arch: https://distrowatch.com

Elementary OS also. Arch Linux is the oldest distro of these three, so they should have the popularity advantage, but Arch isn't popular. It's very obvious that their concept is unpopular.

I am saying this as someone who also loves and uses Arch Linux.

All your text contains these kind of pathetic arguments.

And your views are narrow-minded.

[SRH]

So saying that Elementary OS is the best is only showing that your rebuttal is nonsense too. The "best" varies from one person to the next. No sense argueing anymore with narrow minded people that think thier glorified Debian is better than the next person's OS.

[The sickness of capitalism]

Originally posted by srh420:

So saying that Elementary OS is the best is only showing that your rebuttal is nonsense too. The "best" varies from one person to the next. No sense argueing anymore with narrow minded people that think thier glorified Debian is better than the next person's OS.

I was using 'the best' in a figurative/metaphorical way.

You can determine what a specific group of people find the best thing.

Let 10 000 random people test all linux distributions.

Let them answer the question "Which distribution is the best?"

Let's assume that "Elementary OS" is the most common answer.

I would be able to say: the largest number of people find Elementary the best linux distribution.

I assume that I would be able to say this if someone executes this test in reality.

So I am basically a person who writes down his assumptions as if they are a fact.

This can indeed be typical for narrow-minded people.

Or it can be intelligent behavior, if all your assumptions have been the same as the reality.

I can assure you that I am the latter.

[halifax]

I kind of wish Linux as a community driven ecosystem in general was more "modular" and less "distro" driven.

Instead of having many different teams of very smart people all go off in their own camps and make their own distro, I'd like to see us all agree on a common "distro" standard and adhere to it. Where all the different teams were instead working on cool different modules of the same distro standard vs. their own "same but kind of incompatibly different" distros.

To some extent, this already happens - I just wish it was more efficacious and prolific than it is today. I'd like to see it be so prolific and adhered to that the term "distro" would start to lose meaning. Where the term "distro" got replaced with different scripted build options for a common set of repos all of us used.

Again, this is a little bit the case now, all different distros tend to use and re-use the same GNU software components and common Linux kernels over and over again, I'm just saying I wish we'd take it even further than that and agree on common distro protocols everyone adhered to for all levels of the OS, so the user experience aspect of distros would lose it's current meaning, which is currently very prone to pointless incompatibilities and in-fighting.

[halifax]

Originally posted by GNU/Debian Gaming:

So I am basically a person who writes down his assumptions as if they are a fact.

This can indeed be typical for narrow-minded people.

Or it can be intelligent behavior, if all your assumptions have been the same as the reality.

I can assure you that I am the latter.

Heheh, funny ;-) Assuming you were being facetious, always hard to tell in text only forums.

I'm sure Elementary OS is a fine distro. But since the discussion has migrated towards "what defaults are installed out-of-box", I'm finding it a little boring now. Nickering over how important defaults are, and how many X hypothetical people in sample Y might think so, is bound to go nowhere interesting but back to the doldrums of boring conversation.

[halifax]

Originally posted by Maleko:

Originally posted by PredrKs:

It's human nature to think highly of ones group and look down on others.

To a certain extant, perhaps. But when someone is seemingly unable to realize that we're all the part of the same tribe here (Linux gamers) and makes a thread in a distro agnostic Linux forum with a topic like this and then insults people who post alternative views while acting like their own opinion is gospel.. that's beyond the realm of natural behavior and into the realm of disfunction.

Moreover, we are not neanderthals, we are ♥♥♥♥ sapiens. We have the capacity and the ability to reach beyond our animalistic and tribalisitic nature.

It would have been preferable to see a thread in the vein of "hey guys check out the new release of elementaryOS, they have come a long way and this is a really polished distro."

Only someone with low self esteem or a cluster B personality disorder would act like this OP, who has chosen to post in the vein of: "elementaryOS is the best distro, I've tried them all, my opinion is fact, you are retarded if you disagree."

Yeah, he got out of line with the tone of his replies. Which is unfortunate, because he made some good counter arguments worth considering - but then he ends those thoughts with several quips that detract from it all.

Highly invalid comparison to Neanderthals, though :-) Odds are good ♥♥♥♥ sapiens were the genocidal racists that finished them off. I can imagine the countless encounters: "Hey, this is a super nice valley. Who the hell are those mutants? Time for a judgement only a human tribe can reign down. It's what they deserve for being on our land before we got here. Whew, that was hard work. Now it's time to reach beyond our animalistic and tribalistic nature and... Oops, there's a few left in the north - grab your weapons boys."

On a more positive note, when I get some time, I may try Elementary OS Loki myself. But probably not. Distros with solid KDE support tend to be the only distros I'm interested in anymore. I'm pretty sure KDE stands for "Killer Desktop Environment" X-)

[The sickness of capitalism]

Originally posted by halifax:

On a more positive note, when I get some time, I may try Elementary OS Loki myself. But probably not. Distros with solid KDE support tend to be the only distros I'm interested in anymore. I'm pretty sure KDE stands for "Killer Desktop Environment" X-)

I have followed the development from version 5.1 until the lastest version 5.7.4

5.1 was premature software, a crash every 5 minutes.

But KDE brought great improvements in a short time after version 5.1.

And very slow login is the only flaw that I can find in version 5.7.4

I disabled everything that could slow down the login time.

The login time is minimum 33 seconds on medium hardware (tested on opensuse, arch linux and manjaro. tested on a i3 CPU, and on a AMD Phenom X3 CPU, both systems had 4 GB DDR3 ram)

A real "Killer Desktop Environment" has maximum 15 seconds login time on this hardware.

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I am currently running Elementary OS and it looks amazing indeed! Runs very smoothly and I love it so far :P