Wine gta5 online. Banned immediately

[DIRT]

I posted this in some linux forums specifically for gaming but admins would remove my post. Im wondering if they are trying to hide the fact you might get banned. Idk some shady adminging going on. Maybe i can get some more insight on here.

I tried gta5 online. This was my first time loading into gta online, never played it before. I didn't even spawn into the game because the fps was awful. I killed it and decided to work on performance later. I came back the next day to a 1 month ban. Rock star support was not helpful. I think it picks up on anything like galllium9 or dxvk as a hook of some kind. This happened during one of their banning waves.

[Cat on Linux]

you can't play games with anti-cheat on wine (or Proton), it detects your system as altered and you're a cheater for game. Some games can overlook your activity, some publishers like Rockstar can take more prompt actions on their servers.

[Cat on Linux]

From DXVK github:

Manipulation of Direct3D libraries in multi-player games may be considered cheating and can get your account banned. This may also apply to single-player games with an embedded or dedicated multiplayer portion. Use at your own risk.

[Cat on Linux]

Originally posted by Rogue:

Yes, it's well known that DXVK "may" be considered cheating (Valve also mentioned that games with complex DRM or anti-cheat systems may never work with Steam Play). But if there was a ban wave for Wine users on GTA V, why isn't anyone else mentioning that on the Proton Github or in their SPCR reports? Is it possible that they banned Wine users and not Proton users?

here's from rockstar forums, apparently it is possible
https://support.rockstargames.com/community/posts/360000728728-Launched-to-menu-on-wine-Got-banned-

I was curious to see how gta5 ran on wine. It loaded but it was getting 0.5 fps, I didn't proceed past the menu. I closed it and decided to work on it later. I launched gta online today and I got the notice my account is currently banned. This level of auto ban triggering is far too sensitive imo.

and here on steam user mentions reports about bans in GTA 5 (steam play section)
https://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/8/1734336452575331548/

[DIRT]

Originally posted by Rogue:

I was curious to see how gta5 ran on wine. It loaded but it was getting 0.5 fps, I didn't proceed past the menu. I closed it and decided to work on it later. I launched gta online today and I got the notice my account is currently banned. This level of auto ban triggering is far too sensitive imo.

and here on steam user mentions reports about bans in GTA 5 (steam play section)
https://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/8/1734336452575331548/

That was mine. I was a little mad about it.

[Aoi Blue]

GTA Online sucks from what I hear. It's one of the reasons I haven't bought GTA V.

GTA Online is so bad people made a community alternative, and Rockstar's initial response was to sue them for it. Sorry, I'm not buying anything from Rockstar, and I don't buy the crap that it was 2K's doing. Gearbox has never done that sort of stuff.

[Old Peanut]

i would be so amazed if we could make rockstar whitelist certain wine prefixes.

But this is an interesting problem though: how would you make an anticheat to detect cheats on windows, but not detect wine, but detect cheats on wine?
I think this would result in certain whitelisted wine prefixes/configs...

[DIRT]

They could target proton. But this is rockstar. They want all the money with minimum effort.

[Aoi Blue]

Originally posted by Old Peanut:

i would be so amazed if we could make rockstar whitelist certain wine prefixes.

But this is an interesting problem though: how would you make an anticheat to detect cheats on windows, but not detect wine, but detect cheats on wine?
I think this would result in certain whitelisted wine prefixes/configs...

Any DLL blacklisted on Windows will register as such under Wine.

The problem comes in whitelist-only systems. The wine DLLs vary in nature from build to build. Steam official builds of Proton make this easier, especially the non-beta ones. They can easily be whitelisted with minimal effort (but still some effort).

I really think that game companies need to only make true verified blacklisted cheats result in bans. (This includes variable manipulation by hooked dlls and attempts to use blacklisted dlls.) I also think they shouldn't ban people for actions in single player, and instead deactivate achievements and leaderboards on cheat detection.

Instead, herustically detected "probable cheats" should result in a snapshot of any hooked DLLs and of the system core to be sent for analysis, as well as a kick. This way false alarms only result in a kick.

[Old Peanut]

sounds to me like they don't do blacklisting at all. only whitelisting.

Originally posted by Aoi Blue:

I really think that game companies need to only make true verified blacklisted cheats result in bans. (This includes variable manipulation by hooked dlls and attempts to use blacklisted dlls.) I also think they shouldn't ban people for actions in single player, and instead deactivate achievements and leaderboards on cheat detection.

Instead, herustically detected "probable cheats" should result in a snapshot of any hooked DLLs and of the system core to be sent for analysis, as well as a kick. This way false alarms only result in a kick.

sounds like a pretty fair way of dealing with this problem. But for Rockstar this means quite a bit of additional work on their anticheat...

[DIRT]

Rockstar wont do that, they will just ban you. Just thought it was the right thing to get this out there so people playing on wine know what could happen.

[Aoi Blue]

Originally posted by INDIRT:

Rockstar wont do that, they will just ban you. Just thought it was the right thing to get this out there so people playing on wine know what could happen.

Yeah, just use one of the community online functions. They are better anyway.

[kubuniu]

lol

[Aoi Blue]

Also as a note, the community alternatives aren't Pay 2 Win garbage. (Why do you think Rockstar tried to shut them down.)

[DirtyCamper]

I play gta onlinux using proton. I do not have any complaints yet. I did make sure my local version works fine.
I did notice however that if you do not have an MTU of 1500, connecting will be impossible.
But I do not really like online games, so I mostly play local.

[happysmash27]

Has this issue been fixed yet?