Steam for Linux

Steam for Linux

halifax Jun 21, 2020 @ 12:02pm
Is Desktop Linux starting to collapse into two real branches?
Is it just me, or do others think that Linux is basically starting to gel between Ubuntu and OpenSUSE as the two only real/viably widely supported choices for desktop compute Linux distros?

Sure, there's outliers that are not closely downstream from those parents (I'm on MacOS Catalina at the moment - so OpenBSD closed source derivative from upstream of even Linux v1 :-). But these two Linux distros seem to be winning out to me over all, vs. the (minority vocal) signal noise of all other major branches. You guys agree, or am I being an idiot here?

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skinnyraf Jun 21, 2020 @ 12:07pm 
Is OpenSUSE still a thing even? I thought it's now either Ubuntu and derivatives or Arch Linux and derivatives (e.g. Manjaro).
mr.raider2 Jun 21, 2020 @ 12:55pm 
I thought it was *buntus or Fedora? But what do I know.
Kepos Jun 21, 2020 @ 1:00pm 
You might probably take a look at Distrowatch[distrowatch.com]. There are plenty of lively distributions. I know OpenSUSE from the early days, but it seems other distributions are way more wanted these days.

There is basically 5 different paths in distros to watch:

- Debian based (including Ubuntu, Mint)
- Red Hat (including Fedora, CentOS)
- Arch Linux (including Manjaro, ArcoLinux)
- Slackware Linux (including OpenSUSE, GeckoLinux)
- Free Linux (including Solus, Mageia)

Each has it's very own purpose and approach....not to forget to mention BSD and others, but the main or core distributions do come from those 5 sources. I've tested most of them and my personal preference is currently Solus, Manjaro and ArcoLinux, but every Linux user will certainly add points why his choice is the best.
AndyMcDandyCDN Jun 21, 2020 @ 4:45pm 
To me, it seems like people are either going debian base or arch base thanks to Linux Mint on the debian side and Manjaro on the arch side.
DevaVictrix Jun 21, 2020 @ 4:47pm 
I certainly don't think it's becoming a toss-up between Ubuntu and OpenSuse. I've been an OpenSuse user for a good while now and I feel the tide is moving away from me... if that makes sense. I feel a bit of an outsider/alt Linux user.

Also, for me, Ubuntu was a fail safe default install if I wanted an easy life but I doubt I'll be using it again anytime soon. It's loosing it's way and acting like a side-runner to MS and Apple, imo. It was great at first but if I was going to go in that direction I'd go old skool and back to the roots.... Debian.

I feel the 'tide' is flowing more towards Arch and Solus. It's all I ever seem to read as recommendations.

If I was to leave OpenSuse it would be Fedora for me next. Having said that, as great as it apparently is I could never shake the feeling that it's a guinea pig distro for RHEL. As OpenSuse is I suppose!
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Cat on Linux Jun 21, 2020 @ 5:25pm 
I couldn't care less about Ubuntu and if it's "supported" or not. for me this distro died long time ago. I'll stick to classics - Debian and probably Arch as alternate distro. I won't use Debian based or Arch based, or "anything else" based distros if there's classic distro available.
What exactly these distro forks bring to the table? couple of extra menu entries, changed desktop colors and customized wallpaper? There are interesting distros for special needs (like Antix for old PCs or Sparky Linux for gaming experience out of the box). But what's the use for mainstream fork like Ubuntu or Mint, or any other? it's all the same.
Is there any way to rate forks? I don't think so.
SIGKILL Jun 21, 2020 @ 5:44pm 
Originally posted by DevaVictrix:
[Ubuntu is] loosing it's way and acting like a side-runner to MS and Apple imo. It was great at first...
I'd agree with that. Shuttleworth is a billionaire capitalist who's a lot more interested in being a celebrity playboy than upholding Unix/Posix/Linux philosophies or caring about ethical software.
N0P3 Jun 21, 2020 @ 6:27pm 
Originally posted by skinnyraf:
Is OpenSUSE still a thing even? I thought it's now either Ubuntu and derivatives or Arch Linux and derivatives (e.g. Manjaro).

Kind of been seeing similar; used SUSE for a long time myself, but left when it started to feel as though the distro was growing convoluted - turns out the development was changing over systems & such, but haven't been back in a long time. Haven't messed around much outside of Ubuntu, LinuxMint, Antergos (discontinued) & Manjaro - first two are Ubuntu with the second pair being Arch based; definitely feel a pattern developing in my existence at least.

As for Ubuntu development motivation: it's a matter of creativity, user friendliness and making Linux a commercially viable solution for more devices than simply laptops & desktops in the eyes of the general mass at large. Ubuntu is doing what Red Hat & SUSE Linux did - cut against the popular "Linux Expert" grain. If anything, Ubuntu makes great strides in showcasing the fact that Linux is a valuable, legitimate commercial product capable of facilitating all manner of business models & platforms.
i_nive Jun 22, 2020 @ 2:36am 
Any idea if Ubuntu gets royalties from their cloud images, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu#Cloud_computing ?

I recall a statement, a few years ago, of Ubuntu focusing on the cloud business, not desktop. Could be wrong though...

Running RedHat & Fedora for many years now.
YellowApple Jun 22, 2020 @ 11:56am 
Originally posted by Rogue:
Debian, Slackware, and Red Hat are the 3 main branches

s/Slackware/Arch/, per your links. And to be clear, openSUSE is part of the Red Hat branch nowadays (it started off as a German-translated Slackware, but rebuilt itself on top of RPM, and to this day remains mostly compatible with CentOS/RHEL/Fedora - certainly more so than it is with Slackware).

For better or worse, the Arch family tree (particularly Manjaro - the irony of building a user-friendly operating system on top of one of the most user-hostile operating systems imaginable is thick enough to cut with a knife) has started to rival the Debian family tree for home desktops, particularly gaming rigs. The Red Hat family tree (including openSUSE) is more geared toward corporate desktops/workstations, which is likely why it's underrepresented in e.g. GamingOnLinux's stats; of that tree, Fedora's got about double the users as openSUSE, but between the two of them they've got the Red Hat tree pretty much locked down.

If I wasn't using Slackware, I'd probably be using openSUSE; it's indeed what I recommend first and foremost to anyone looking for a first distro, specifically because it's user-friendly and intuitively familiar to Windows refugees (in particular because of YaST; I've seen literally no other distro with such a comprehensive GUI-driven configuration tool). A shame that it ain't more represented in these stats.
Last edited by YellowApple; Jun 22, 2020 @ 11:57am
SIGKILL Jun 22, 2020 @ 2:38pm 
Originally posted by YellowApple:
the Arch family tree (particularly Manjaro - the irony of building a user-friendly operating system on top of one of the most user-hostile operating systems imaginable is thick enough to cut with a knife)
Or how similarly ironic it is to put comfortable interiors, nice trim and a bit of paint on a precision-engineered vehicle? Just think of all the hostility lurking beneath those seat cushions! ;)
Last edited by SIGKILL; Jun 22, 2020 @ 2:39pm
JK_Mooney Jun 22, 2020 @ 5:18pm 
Arch is not for beginners but I would hardly call it hostile given how good a reference the ArchWiki is.
Aoi Blue Jun 23, 2020 @ 1:35am 
The division between Debian packaging and RPM Packaging having a duopoly is nothing new.

OpenSUSE is the leading RPM Based Enterprise Linux, but sees little use outside of that scope. Fedora and derivatives (most notably CENT) are the leading RPM-Based distros for Home Desktop and Small Office Desktop.

As of Ubuntu, it has massive Enterprise use, especially in servers, but has actually seen itself yielding ground to derivatives of it, and other Debian derived distros.

As of other packaging formats, Arch, and derivatives are gaining substantial ground, but still only represent a small percentage of Linux users. However, they are now well past the point of being noteworthy.
Ormgryd Jun 23, 2020 @ 1:52am 
Thing is, The distro you a not using are not dying. Just because you shifted your focus off of something doesen't mean it died.
halifax Jun 26, 2020 @ 3:46pm 
OK... So the consensus is it is indeed collapsing into Ubuntu and OpenSUSE as the only real desktop Linux options that are viable, glad to know I was right!

Absolutely kidding. Many very informative posts, a lot of great info on the current state of distros including several corrections and additional details on OpenSUSE itself - I have always found it to be a very solid DE and YaST is real differentiated factor from other distros.

Also, interesting read about MacOS Catalina Rogue, I knew OpenBSD was a derivative somewhere in its past but did not know those details.

Definitely an above avg. intelligence quotient in this particular Steam forum. Appreciate the information and comments guys.
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