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And if you know the pattern:
win98: = great
win2000 = trash
winxp = great
win-vista = trash
win7 = great
win8 = trash
win10 = great
win11 = ..... you know it
And no, *Gaming* should not stuck in the Past because of a Ancient OS
don't forget all the other OS's microsoft had that were consigned to the bin as their support ended as well. Windows 7 is like Windows 8 and soon to be Windows 10, relegated to the past, dead and buried. Move on.
So far my computer runs everything well at top graphics settings. Still a few years away from a slow down.
Whether your graphics card can run DX12 doesn't matter if your operating system cannot support it. Windows 7 cannot even recognize DX12.
That said, one of my machines actually was still using Win7 until a few weeks ago, and I actually did try if Assassin's Creed Valhalla would run. It didn't even start, no matter what I tried.
I can see where you're coming from, as I was also on a Win7 PC until early December (upgrading didn't make sense earlier for a number of reasons). However, the times of Win7 as a triple-A gaming system are clearly over, anything else is just wishful thinking.
To give you some perspective, here's a short list of games that I bought last year, but couldn't play until a few weeks ago because of being stuck on Win7: Assassin's Creed Valhalla, Forza Horizon 4 and 5, LEGO Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga, Horizon Zero Dawn, Deathloop, Maneater, As Dusk Falls, Jurassic World Evolution 2, Martha Is Dead, and the remastered edition of Life Is Strange. Also too many indie games to count, e.g. Slime Rancher 2, Song of Farca, Erica ... games that wouldn't really need to use anything that's Win10-dependant, but are of course built on up-to-date engines, which do depend on DX12. Many other games do technically work on Win7, but not all features are available - this includes every single game with raytracing elements.
This trend will obviously get stronger in the future. Most games are nowadays being built using third-party tools, and an increasing number of third-party tools do nowadays carry a Win10 dependency, which the games then inherit. Quite frankly you can bemoan that, you can wish that Win7 should still be supported, but you'll be doing that while the pool of new games that you can enjoy grows smaller with every month.
Developers also have very little reason to still cater to Win7 users. According to the Steam hardware survey, only 2% of its users are still on Win7, while 93.5% are on Win10 or 11. The 2% of Win7 users probably aren't particularly high-spending customers either. So from a perspective of game development, it makes little sense to spend time, effort, and thus ultimately money on maintaining a separate code branch for an outdated operating system that only very few people still use. The few additional purchases that that might bring, wouldn't even cover the costs.
So that's the situation. And that has never been different. When I started gaming on a pre-Atari console back in the 70s, I was limited to only 5 cartridges, because that was all that ever got produced for that machine, and games for newer consoles obviously weren't compatible with mine. After building my first PC in 1991, I had to realize after a few years that new, demanding games simply wouldn't run on my machine, it got surpassed by new and better hardware (and a fundamentally different OS). The fact that many new games today can actually still run on an operating system from 13 years ago, is already an exception, and demanding even more seems a bit strange to me. Technology progresses, and game developers aren't welfare organizations. Usually they support older platforms for 2-3 years while their customer base is migrating to the new platform, but that's it.
Given that you don't actually own Windows 10, I'm curious how exactly you made that comparison.
Personally, since this topic did interest me throughout the years, I turned my old PC into a multiboot system that can boot into Win7 and Win10 (plus a few Linux versions, but that's not the point here). I actually did a few game comparisons. I couldn't find a single game that ran noticeably faster under Win7 than it did on Win10.
That was true when Win10 was new and still had some teething problems. But that's simply because game developers, and specifically the devs of important third-party tools, need time to adapt to the new platform. Nowadays, games are being developed, tested on, and optimized for PCs that use Windows 10 or 11. The idea that these games would magically run better on an OS they were never tested on or optimized for, is really far-fetched and I'm not seeing any convincing evidence for it.
Windows 7, as great as it was, also didn't surpass Windows XP right from the start in terms of game compatibility and run speed. And Windows XP, which also was a pretty amazing feat at its time, didn't surpass Windows 2000 either from the get-go. But after a few years, they definitely did, in the same way as Win10/11 nowadays surpasses Win7.
(Fun fact: Even before the World Wide Web took off, we had very similar discussions on Usenet, with the same arguments that you're presenting here - people fought over the "better OS for games", DOS 6.22 or Windows 95/98.)
Well, I agree with one part of that assessment: Technically, it's still _possible_ to run a high-end gaming machine on Win7. Again, I did this for years until last month. But that means that I'm also well aware of the many shortcomings of such a rig. Here are some from my experience:
- increasing number of new games that cannot played
- increasing number of hardware issues as driver support for Win7 is faded out (for example, the driver for my headset would constantly crash on my Win7 system - that problem could have been fixed with a driver update, but the new drivers needed Win10)
- problems with current-gen hardware especially during system reinstalls or repairs (e.g. modern USB mice or keyboards not being usable during reinstalls/repairs since Win7 doesn't have the required USB drivers on its install medium)
- continuous problems with font scaling in many games, such as text not being fully visible or spilling over boundaries (The Win10 method of font scaling is much more flexible than the Win7 method)
- problems with games starting in the wrong language (Win7's way of handling regionalization is much clunkier than Win10's) - repeatedly I had to invest time in researching how to change the language, as some games require launch parameters, registry hacks, or manual editing of ini files to circumvent the failing autodetection
- very weak security due to lack of security updates and fixes (many Win7 exploits currently exist in the wild, and will never be fixed in the OS, though good third-party protection can mitigate the risks somewhat).
But if you're still happy with your current rig, then keep using it (be mindful of the security though). No one can force you to upgrade.
That said, this whole thread doesn't _sound_ like you're happy. Rather, it sounds like you're decidedly _un_happy with the fact that your outdated OS cannot run lots of newer games such as AC Valhalla. And it seems that instead of realizing that the time to upgrade may finally have come, you'd rather entrench yourself behind outdated information and blame evil corporations for not catering to your specific use case. You can do this of course, but it's not terribly convincing. Not in 2023. Some of your points would actually have been valid back in 2015 - but we're not in 2015 anymore.
Anyway, here are two suggestions for you to consider, they might be useful to you:
1. Create yourself a bootstick with various operating systems. There are good tools for doing so (search for "Yumi" for example), and there are live versions (i.e. operating systems that you can run directly from the USB stick, without affecting your machine's current OS) for many newer operating systems including Windows 10 and 11. Such a live system is a good opportunity to get some hands-on experience, and that could perhaps prevent you from repeating outdated information. And it's always better to argue from a position of hands-on experience rather than assumptions and/or hearsay, right?
Personally, I have 12 different operating systems (for various purposes) on my bootstick, but that might be overkill for 99% of use cases. But it can be done. :)
2. Try setting up a multiboot system on your PC. It's possible to set up parallel installations of Win7 and Win10 in a way that they both use the same Documents folder and have access to the same programs, games, documents, saves, etc. Doing this properly will take some research, but there are good sources on the net, and it's all completely free. If you haven't used your Win7 key for lots of reinstalls, then there's also a good chance that you can still activate Win10 or 11 with it (it did work for me last month with a 12-year-old Win7 key).
Once you have both Windows versions on your system, you can check how modern games actually behave under either OS nowadays. If you want to, you can keep using Win7 as your day-to-day OS, but switch to Win10 for games that require it.
If you're concerned about privacy, there are good tutorials on the net on disabling or removing the respective elements from your Win10 installation. And if you have the OS up and running on your machine, you can see the results first-hand.
It's all your decision of course, but I think it wouldn't hurt to fact-check many of your current beliefs on an actual running system. :)
The game OS requirement can be lowered to Windows 7 with the DXVK.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Assassin%27s_Creed_Valhalla#System_requirements
Here is link for DXVK. https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk/releases
But yeah, Win2000 was amazing for its time - it's basically "the" OS that introduced industrial-grade reliability and stability into the mainstream. Not sure how it would hold up today, though. I think a lot of its (well-deserved) appreciation comes from the fact that its competitors in the consumer market (especially the in-house ones) were so much worse.
i get it, i dont like windows 10 as well that much but its not as bad as people make it sound specially if those people are as well gamers.
And you can't compare OS stability of industry servers that don't support graphic UI, graphic cards and more. Use any of those OS for personal computer usage and you'll see suddenly they are/was no way so stable and resilient.
For my personal experience, for personal use, including gaming, no OS ever been so stable, I never ever crashed the OS with win2000, and I used the computer with 20% of the main drive widely damaged by a physical chock without ever notice before a month more or less.
For that aspect, ok it's not really that worse than Windows 7, if it wasn't for the publicity menu that seems rough to clean if you don't pay some industry license.
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That say I believe remind that win10 was supposed to be the last and planed to evolve more as a service, clearly MS dreams vanished.